Talk:Act 21 - What Did You Do to Ami?

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[Re: Trivia about the use of cell phones in hospitals] Hey, trust me. It's my real-world experience. ^^ 210 20:38, 27 September 2006 (MST)

It's still speculation. Also, I don't know how it is in Japan but around here you're only forbidden to use cell phones in the actual patient rooms; if you're in a waiting area like the one where Makoto was, it's allowed. Kerochan no Miko 20:41, 27 September 2006 (MST)
Well, I've never been in a Japanese hospital, but I rephrased the sentence to one describing an unspecific real-life fact. 210 21:05, 27 September 2006 (MST)
The facts that matter are the ones in the episode. In the episode, there is no explanation. Period. Anything else is you speculating on why. Kerochan no Miko 21:09, 27 September 2006 (MST)
Now it's become a fact in the episode. 210 21:26, 27 September 2006 (MST)
No, actually, it's still you offering up your opinion as to why she might have used the pay phone. There is no mention whatsoever of hospital policies in that episode, so I don't know why you're so obsessed with having that in there. The fact is that Makoto used the pay phone instead of a cell phone. That's it. Nothing else is FACT. Kerochan no Miko 21:53, 27 September 2006 (MST)

Most of the stuff listed in this episode's trivia, as well as other episode's trivia, seems less like "trivia" and more like "stupid crap someone noticed." For REAL trivia, see what Memory Alpha writes: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/What_You_Leave_Behind#Trivia --WikiSysop 22:08, 27 September 2006 (MST)

I can't see any significant differences concerning the basic nature of trivia in your link, tho I've to admit that I'm not familiar w/ DS9. And Kerochan, I incorporated the wordings in your last comment, too. It's needed since it's a common hospital practice directly related to this issue. 210 22:23, 27 September 2006 (MST)
It is NOT needed. No, they don't mention any hospital policies that might have prevented Makoto from using her cell. They also don't mention if she forgot to charge the battery and her phone was dead, if she'd accidentally left her phone at home, or if Kamekichi drooled on it and shorted it out. Since they didn't mention a reason, any one of those could be valid. Unless there's actual factual information, it doesn't need to be there. Kerochan no Miko 22:25, 27 September 2006 (MST)
There're, of course, all kinds of reasons, some more likely than others, that can be given. I've just given a likely one as an example, & didn't say nor imply that it's the definite true one (reread my edit if you're unsure). Why I chose this one as an example is that it's closely related to the situation Makoto was in. It might not be the best one, but it's good enough as an example. 210 22:41, 27 September 2006 (MST)
And if we needed an example, I'm sure it might be a good one. However, this particular bit of trivia is, IMHO, definitely too trivial to be argued over to this extent, and possibly even unnecessary anyway. Kerochan no Miko 23:02, 27 September 2006 (MST)
To make a better consensus, I've opted to make an even more neutral statement in the trivia instead (I should be employed by the Foreign Ministry to draft treaties lol). 210 23:14, 27 September 2006 (MST)
What, pray tell, is so wrong with just saying that Makoto used a pay phone instead of her cell and didn't say why, and leaving it at that? Do you really need to embellish perfectly straightforward plain facts? Kerochan no Miko 23:22, 27 September 2006 (MST)

^ I added that statement not because of anything being so wrong, just to make the trivia description more complete (as in my previous versions). And I can't see anything wrong w/ what the added sentence states. Anyway, I agree that it's too trivial to argue this anymore, & I'm stopping here about this. 210 23:38, 27 September 2006 (MST)

I can't see anything wrong w/ what the added sentence states Because, as I have said multiple times, there is no reason for it to be there. The point of the trivia is to give little facts about the episode. Note that word, "facts". It is not for you to speculate on hospital policies or plot holes, it is to give people facts and let them deal with those facts as they see fit. Kerochan no Miko 23:43, 27 September 2006 (MST)

I took out a couple of trivia notes that really were just "stuff I noticed" (as WikiSysop called them), as well as the highly controversial pay phone note. I suggest that we have a "goofs" section for shooting errors and potential plot holes, like what IMDB has, and there we can note stuff like the disappearing boot heels and Venus in tennis shoes and pay phones and whatnot. Kerochan no Miko 23:47, 27 September 2006 (MST)

Ok, this is another issue. So if you don't like them being "trivia", I'll try to find another title. I'm reverting your latest edit to make further edits for this. So pls wait til I finish (I'll notify you here) 210 00:00, 28 September 2006 (MST)
Done. Comments pls. 210 00:53, 28 September 2006 (MST)
Okay, I left your comments about the porridge and Motoki's car, even though I think they're completely pointless. Now will you please stop harping on supposed hospital policies? Kerochan no Miko 21:15, 28 September 2006 (MST)

There has been more than enough arguing about the hospital cell phone thing, and I really don't want any more. Makoto could very well have gone outside to use her phone, after all, and I don't want to restart the endless bickering over speculation and hospital policies. Kerochan no Miko 10:46, 8 November 2006 (MST)

For the sake of being a third party, I have to say that I agree that the reasons 'why' don't really matter that much, but I don't know if it would be a goof since it's likely such a policy exists. It might be more of a 'trivia' if you ask me.--66.30.84.242 18:16, 8 November 2006 (MST)

To: Anonymous user (addr. starting w/ "209")
In your previous edit, you stated it like a fact, not a speculation nor suggestion, in your tone. I've never been in a Japanese hospital, so do you have a personal experience or an info source for it? If so, Makoto's action is very reasonable & should be treated as a trivia. --210 18:31, 8 November 2006 (MST)
Okay, I tweaked it to say it's a "possible" goof, and now I don't want to see this trivia tidbit ever again, I'm so sick of this. >_< Kerochan no Miko 18:38, 8 November 2006 (MST)
Personally, of course I also wish it to be settled ASAP, but it depends on whether & how the anonymous user responds to my question above, or if any new evidences surface in the future. For now, your last edit ("possible goof") is sensible. ^^ --210 18:53, 8 November 2006 (MST)

Page Protection[edit]

It took a lot of discussion and edit warring to get that trivia note where it is now, and I don't want to start another war over it. For that reason, I'm protecting the page for the time being. If someone has a suggestion to change the note, please discuss it here first. Kerochan no Miko 18:21, 9 December 2006 (MST)

And because of that, for the time being, if anyone wanna change other parts of the article, also please note it here, since I don't think there's such a thing as "partial page protection" in Wiki. --210 18:45, 9 December 2006 (MST)
Well, yes, that's also true. But the above statement was meant as a warning, because I don't intend to leave the page protected forever. Kerochan no Miko 18:57, 9 December 2006 (MST)
BTW, how long is this page going to be protected? Silver 10:09, 22 February 2010 (MST)

This is the first appearance of Dark Sailor Mercury who has been known in English and Japanese fan groups as "Darkury

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Could someone fix the link, please? Silver 07:44, 22 February 2010 (MST)