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Was the Love Whip an upgrade to the Chain or was it a completely separate item? Kerochan no Miko 13:18, 1 September 2006 (MST)

It may be an upgrade (I'm not sure) but as it is given a diffrent name, and is used to perform diffrent acts, I would still treat it in a manner similar to other "upgrades", lilke the anime Cosmic Heart Compact or the Moon Power Tiare which both have their own articles. The only reason I haven't given it its own article is because I dunno if I should call it the 'Love Whip' or the 'Ai no Muchi'. GracieLizzie 15:04, 1 September 2006 (MST)
I just reread the part of the manga where the Love Whip first appeared, and I kinda got the impression that it was a different item. Anyway I think Love Whip would be a better name, since most of our articles have english titles. Elanorea 15:35, 1 September 2006 (MST)
I prefer Love Whip too but dooky said once he prefers untranslated names in some circumstances. So I am waiting to see what other opinions are. GracieLizzie 15:40, 1 September 2006 (MST)
Hmm... well, that was referring to attacks, and in all honesty I'm hardly consistent in these things myself... ^_^ In this case, the term is a descriptive one, so I think an English title might be appropriate. Don't worry about it, if we decide differently later on we can easily move the article. dooky 16:06, 1 September 2006 (MST)

Hmm... "Love Whip" is so SM (& I don't mean "Sailor Moon" here). BTW, someone pls change the template into a PGSM one. Thx! 210 19:09, 1 September 2006 (MST)

Actually, what we need is for the template to include PGSM... Kerochan no Miko 20:12, 1 September 2006 (MST)
If we just edit it, the idle PGSM field will appear in many manga/anime weapon only articles. It's just like the case for separate PGSM attacks template. 210 20:27, 1 September 2006 (MST)
There are manga-only and anime-only weapons, items, and people, but we don't have a "manga items" template or an "anime characters" template (that I know of). Kerochan no Miko 21:01, 1 September 2006 (MST)
I was talking about a PGSM weapons template as oppose to the one used in this article, similar to the existing PGSM attacks template. 210 21:11, 1 September 2006 (MST)
I know. And I was wondering why we have PGSM-only templates, when we don't have manga-only templates or anime-only templates. Kerochan no Miko 21:14, 1 September 2006 (MST)
Originally they were made because most of the item/attack templates don't contain PGSM fields. This in turn was due to the fact that most attacks/items/etc don't appear in PGSM. The template posted below is one I made a few days ago for exceptions to this rule. I'll make another one for weapons, since its requiered. dooky 23:26, 1 September 2006 (MST)

^ PGSM templates aren't PGSM-only - look at this PGSM attacks template I mentioned above:

Sailor Senshi Attacks
Attack Name: {{{Name}}}
Attack Name (kanji/kana): {{{JP Name}}}
English Name: {{{Dub Name}}}
Performed by: {{{Senshi}}}
Item Required: {{{Item}}}
First Used (anime): {{{Anime}}}
First Used (manga): {{{Manga}}}
First Used (PGSM): {{{PGSM}}}


210 21:21, 1 September 2006 (MST)

It seems like Sailor Venus (in PGSM) can use her chain (magically extending it) without having to call out a phrase. I think it's a bit notable since it's a tribute to her "metal" innate powers. She's very infrequent in several acts and sometimes calls out the phrase offensively and at least once defensively. WaterKnight 22:14, 24 October 2007 (MST)

"Super Sailor Venus" in the manga[edit]

Hmm.. were the senshi apart from Sailor Moon ever called "Super Sailor XXX" in the manga? I was under the impression that they were never referred to with Super or Eternal in their names even though their outfits were similar to Super/Eternal Sailor Moon. I'm not sure though, can someone correct me if I'm wrong? --Secretss 08:24, 17 May 2007 (MST)

I know we've had this discussion before - as I recall, the consensus was that the word "Super" was never actually officially used for them, which is why I've been removing it from articles. Kerochan no Miko 12:45, 17 May 2007 (MST)

Chain in the anime[edit]

The first time "Venus Love-Me Chain" was used was in Dispute Over Love! Minako and Mako Face Off. MusicallyObsessedBoi 12:21, 14 March 2010 (MST)

Venus Belt[edit]

There is an oublivious connection between the goddess Aphrodite's belt and Venus' chain which in two versions she wore as a belt. Plus in all versions, Venus primarily used that chain for the attack Venus Love-Me Chain. Now, the Love-Me part of the attack refers to the fact that this belt had the power to make the one you love fall in love with you. There is also most probably a connection with the Belt of Venus who's name also comes from the mythological object.--SailorSimon

Obvious to you, perhaps. I might see a connection between Aphrodite's golden girdle and the chain, but not some random weather phenomenon. And even then it's still just speculation, not "obvious" or canonical. Kerochan no Miko 18:10, 17 April 2010 (MST)
I also thought there could be some connection between Aphrodite's girdle and Sailor Venus' chain, but I decided not to mention it... It's not that obvious in my opinion, as they are items with different appearance and functions. Silver 18:18, 17 April 2010 (MST)
I was thinking of putting a note about the girdle in the Venus article in the mythology section, since it does make senses that the girdle and the chain are connected. Lots of sites I visited make that connection and I always thought it made sense. I think it's still important to at least mention it somewhere. For exemple the connection between the Mercury Harp and the Lyre that Hermes invented. A harp is not a lyre but we can still make the connection. Of course it's speculation and not canonical yet there is a link. It's not written anywhere in official material that Mercury was using a lyre to perform Mercury Aqua Rhapsody. Sometimes we have to make speculations and make the possible connections ourselves especially when it comes down to mythology which we know is a very important source in Sailor Moon. So instead I could write «Aphrodite, the Greek equivalent of Venus, possessed a golden girdle or belt that had the power to make anybody fall in love with it's wearer, this girdle could be related to the chain which Sailor Venus wore as a belt in some versions and used to perform Venus Love-Me Chain.». That way we establish the link without saying it's official or a 100% sure.--SailorSimon
You're kind of comparing apples and oranges here. A harp and a lyre are actually very similar in appearance, so it's easy to make the connection. A girdle and a chain don't really look the same, though. I could see maybe adding a note to the Sailor Venus article noting that she wears the chain around her waist and the mythological Venus wore that girdle, but saying that they're related is where you fall into the area of needless speculation. Just note the facts and leave it up to the reader to draw conclusions. Kerochan no Miko 19:07, 17 April 2010 (MST)
Fine by me. Just maybe adding the further explaination that the girdle had the power to make anyone fall in love with it's wearer. That sounds just perfect.--SailorSimon
I can provide further explanation: Hephaestus, being the most unfaltering of the gods, Hephaestus ensnared Ares and Aphrodite in an unbreakable chain-link net so small as to be invisible and dragged them to Mount Olympus to shame them in front of the other gods for retribution. I got this info from wikipedia and should be noted. Sailor sunshine 17:46, 28 April 2011 (MST)
The fact that you can plagiarize information from wikipedia doesn't mean that it should go into this article. Kerochan no Miko 18:01, 28 April 2011 (MST)
And the similarity between the girdle and the chain is already noted on the Trivia section of Sailor Venus' article, Sailor sunshine. Also, the only thing the girdle and the net had in common is that they were made by the same god, so I don't think that info is relevant to this wiki at all. Silver 04:21, 29 April 2011 (MST)