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Can somebody who actually knows PGSM... oh, you get the idea. Dooky 14:09, 28 May 2006 (MST)

Did PGSM have episode titles or was it just Act 1, Act 2, etc? If someone's willing to do summaries then it'd be nice to get an episode guide up here. Dooky 23:04, 28 May 2006 (MST)
I can work on the PGSM section and do episode summaries &c, it'll just take me a bit (I'm in the middle of a move right now x_x;;). I'll get around to it ASAP. Kerochan no Miko 01:09, 10 June 2006 (MST)

Unfortunately, it seems that PGSM episodes are nameless. Besides the Special Act and Act Zero, the only Act with a name is Act 49 (duh, its name is "Final Act") xD --Kasumi

No, they do have names, they've been posted before somewhere. It was in one of the PGSM books.

Good call: http://www.sailormoon.ws/archives/040205.html WikiSysop 09:38, 18 June 2006 (MST)

  • I've added them (after making a few adjustments to conform with our naming conventions). Does anyone have the original Japanese names for these as well? I want to make an infobox for PGSM episodes, but I don't know if it's worth including a section for the Japanese titles if nobody has them. Dooky 13:12, 18 June 2006 (MST)

When/where was PGSM aired on the internet? Kerochan no Miko 23:25, 9 July 2006 (MST)

lol DENelson, I think you gotta answer her question (I haven't edited your edited part yet. Think you might come up w/ some solution). 210.245.162.185 23:53, 9 July 2006 (MST)
And now an admin has done it. Lesson for all: NEVER PROMOTE OR MENTION ILLEGAL STUFF HERE (even tho you've done it). ^^ 210 00:55, 10 July 2006 (MST)
I don't think that's the point at all. The information was changed because it was misleading, not because it referred to unlicensed distribution. This site is most likeky going to have detailed information about the fansubbing history of Sailor Moon, so there is absolutely no problem with referring to fansubs, provided they are identified as such. Dooky 06:53, 10 July 2006 (MST)
I definitely plan to have information on VKLL and fansubbing, it was so important to the history of the fandom. Of course, we're not going to link to torrents, but as dooky said, it was just a trivial change over a minor inaccuracy.--WikiSysop 07:09, 10 July 2006 (MST)
Ok, I withdraw my last msg here about illegal stuff. I might have been over-sensitive to the word "pirating" in your editing note. 210 17:47, 10 July 2006 (MST)

DENelson, hope you like my latest edit on that part. ^^ 210 18:21, 10 July 2006 (MST)

Could someone pls make the shorten form of episode titles (i.e. just "Act X", etc.) also linkable for convenience of linkage in PGSM articles? (Don't know how to do it) Thx! 210 18:25, 13 July 2006 (MST)

Well, you could make 'Act 1' into a redirect to the article on PGSM Act 1, but this isn't ideal as the manga chapters are also referred to as Acts. I suggest using pipe links like this: Act 1. Dooky 18:33, 13 July 2006 (MST)
Seems pipe link is the only way then, tho you gotta type the lengthy titles in the source code. 210 19:01, 13 July 2006 (MST)


210, unless you can provide a cite for what you claim the "main theme" of the series is, I'm removing it. Kerochan no Miko 21:38, 26 July 2006 (MST)

I'm not citing anyone. I'm just attempting to summarize the whole series in 1 sentence (now 3). 210 22:02, 26 July 2006 (MST)
Yes, but the point of the wiki isn't to provide "What 210 thinks the main themes of PGSM are". Kerochan no Miko 22:08, 26 July 2006 (MST)
No, you must think what's to be included as the major stuff and what wordings can best summarize a bulk of details in any summarization, lengthy or short alike. Now I've reinstated it because I think its essential for the page. However, you may try rewriting it to make it better (but remember to make it short & concise). 210 22:40, 26 July 2006 (MST)

No themes. See Memory Alpha for how the page should look: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine Although I like it more the way things are here with the episode list above cast.--WikiSysop 00:07, 27 July 2006 (MST)

I'll get rid of the troublesome word "theme" & turn it into a short summary. Anyone who wish to expand it may do so after that (I can't type lengthy texts here). 210.245.162.185 00:24, 27 July 2006 (MST)

Kerochan, thank you for rewriting the summary. Now I can say that the page has been basically completed. 210 05:33, 28 July 2006 (MST)

Shoulder Pads[edit]

Someone asked a long time ago about the Senshi's sleeves, and I forget who (and I think the discussion has been archived by now). But it appears that the poofy sleeve things were upgraded between episode 14 and 15 - in 15 they're definitely poofier than they were before. Kerochan no Miko 18:39, 21 September 2006 (MST)

It's me. Thx for the info! 210 19:13, 21 September 2006 (MST)
Also checked the Act 14 screencaps - yeah, they weren't upgraded yet. 210 19:27, 21 September 2006 (MST)

Episode Summaries[edit]

I'm making available to Project WikiMoon all of Genvid's PGSM resources: http://www.genvid.com/PGSM/ You can copy/paste/edit from the episode synopses to write the summaries for WikiMoon. The only request is that the relevant episode synopsis at the site be linked to at the bottom of said page so that the original writer of the synopsis is thus credited.

I want to make clear, though, that we don't permit people to copy/paste/edit from sites that they do not own. This is a special case because I, as the website owner, am giving permission.--WikiSysop 07:53, 23 June 2006 (MST)

I can make an infobox for PGSM episodes, but I wondering if anyone has access to the Japanese episode titles. We've included them for the anime episodes and it seems logical to include them here too. The only problem is that the titles themselves are fairly hard to come by, so I don't know if anyone here actually has them. Dooky 08:57, 23 June 2006 (MST)
I'll ask Andy since he did the original writeup for Genvid.--WikiSysop 09:15, 23 June 2006 (MST)
There's a new template for the episodes here. Are the writers and directors known? If not, I can take those sections out. I think the navigation template used for the anime episodes could also be used for PGSM without adaptation. Dooky 11:11, 23 June 2006 (MST)


This is Andy who did the list for Genvid. I'll try to find the memorial book I have for PGSM and provide not only the translated list, but the original Japanese titles. Please give me a chance to do this, and some time. We've moved since I did that episode title list for Genvid, and I'll have to find my book. I'll get the whole shebang up as soon as I can. arigatou gozaimasu nyo! Mrshoujo

Wiki bug?[edit]

Just confirmed a Wiki S/W bug: when Dooky corrected the Mamoru name thing, a line spacing disappeared above the "Cast" title (I'd suspected this bug when I edited the Sailor Moon Music page recently). Don't know if it's just a minor bug or reflecting a deeper problem in the S/W algorithm. 210.245.162.185 07:26, 26 July 2006 (MST)

This bug is bugging me again. This time it's the line spacing above "Episodes", i.e. under the edited section of "Summary". 210 05:29, 28 July 2006 (MST)

It's probably to do with how the software handles whitespace in articles. I guess you could try sticking br tags in there if you really want to keep the spacing. dooky 06:25, 28 July 2006 (MST)
Seems to be the only way to lock the spacings. Next time I might have to type in machine codes to ensure the Wiki S/W understands me. lol 210 07:44, 28 July 2006 (MST)
Ok, the tags can't work exactly as I wish here (same 2 tags become 3 line spacings here but only 1 there), reverted back. Maybe my last sacarstic msg made it angry. 210 07:44, 28 July 2006 (MST)

C'mon Wiki, she was only adding back the comma. *sigh* 210 19:39, 28 July 2006 (MST)

PGSM Resources[edit]

(1)[edit]

Japanese link site (for a brief about the site, pls refer to (2) of here - sorry, my device doesn't have copy-&-paste function):

[1]

210 03:40, 26 July 2006 (MST)

(2)[edit]

Complete scans of the PGSM Memorial Book, arguably the most comprehensive official PGSM publication to date, can be found here:

[2]

210 23:25, 26 July 2006 (MST)

(3)[edit]

Tons of scans of printed publications & web caps containing PGSM actors/actresses can be found at this site - a useful img resource:

[3]

210 19:35, 5 August 2006 (MST)

(4)[edit]

I'm lazy, so pls go here.

210 05:15, 25 September 2006 (MST)

That Comma[edit]

Are you sure, KnM? It's been a while since English classes but I could swear that comma's redundant. dooky 09:05, 28 July 2006 (MST)

I am very, very sure. I had the Oxford comma beat into my head in college, and if I put it in there I mean it to be there. Kerochan no Miko 09:33, 28 July 2006 (MST)
I just looked up and wow, I never did that at school >.> However, according to Wikipedia's article on the subject, its usage (and non-usage) is apparently the subject of some disagreement. Despite being named the Oxford comma, it does seem to be more of an American thing, so I guess like the US/UK English thing we'll just let people use whichever form they prefer. dooky 10:13, 28 July 2006 (MST)
I just looked at said Wikipedia article and it says, "The Chicago Manual of Style, Strunk and White's Elements of Style, most authorities on American English and Canadian English, and many authorities on British English – for example, Oxford University Press and Fowler's Modern English Usage – recommend the use of the serial comma." However, newspapers don't like it. So I've always looked at it as, use it for serious/academic writing, but not for newspaper writing. Since I'm doing the former here, and since I lived and breathed Strunk and White for four years, I'm using it. Kerochan no Miko 10:29, 28 July 2006 (MST)
Thx for your enlightenment guys. So I won't have opinions about its usage/non-usage. My own preference would still be inclined to non-usage tho. As a non-native English user, I'm influenced by both British & American (maybe some more) English, tho I'd say the latter has a bigger influence on me.
A side note: there's an interesting book called "The Story of English" (maybe not exact wording). The theme is about the evolution of the language, which is still continuing today, & will definitely do so in the future. (I've used the comma! lol) 210 19:11, 28 July 2006 (MST)

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Thank you DEN. I've always been thinking about it, but feel that it's too bothersome to ask anyone to do it. ^^; 210 18:07, 29 August 2006 (MST)

You're quite welcome. ;) -- DENelson83 22:42, 29 August 2006 (MST)

Formatting[edit]

While the entire list of episodes may look like an intimidating block all together, spacing them out every ten episodes looks a little odd to me - almost as though it's implying those episodes should be grouped together somehow, even though they don't actually have anything particular in common. Kerochan no Miko 19:59, 22 September 2006 (MST)

The grouping isn't based on anything common w/i the group, but on the major switching of story development & the convenience of making it approx. 10 episodes w/i each group. There's no official divisions, hence I didn't make any group title except the sequence nos. w/i parenthesis. It's just for convenience & a better look. 210 20:51, 22 September 2006 (MST)
That's right, there aren't any official divisions - but the way you have it formatted with the gaps and the numbering makes it look like there are. That's why I'm objecting to it. Kerochan no Miko 20:55, 22 September 2006 (MST)
I've added a remark to avoid that. 210 21:02, 22 September 2006 (MST)
I still don't think it looks right, remark or no. Kerochan no Miko 21:05, 22 September 2006 (MST)
Well, I think the remark can avoid the groupings being misunderstood as official instead of as housekeeping. 210 21:58, 22 September 2006 (MST)
No, I don't like the look of it at all. dooky 05:53, 23 September 2006 (MST)
Even with the remark, the groupings were misleading, and since they didn't add anything to the aesthetic value, I took them out. Kerochan no Miko 06:13, 23 September 2006 (MST)

It'd be possible to group them by DVD # but I don't think that'd be very useful. One thing that could help make it look less intimidating is putting them into a table ala what's at the music section, with the airdate in another box and what DVD # it's on in another. Just a dumb suggestion, nothing that has to be followed up on.--WikiSysop 12:58, 23 September 2006 (MST)

I personally don't see a need to divvy up the list at all, myself. Kerochan no Miko 13:18, 23 September 2006 (MST)
Don't think anyone could strongly object to the latest arrangement (when I woke up this morning, the idea just suddenly came from nowhere). 210 17:47, 23 September 2006 (MST)
I can - once again it looks like arbitrarily assigned groupings. I kind of like the previous suggestion for the table &c, I'll look into that. Kerochan no Miko 18:17, 23 September 2006 (MST)
Of course it's arbitrary. So consider it as another temporary arrangement until you or anyone else make the table (I'm not expert enough to do that). 210 18:41, 23 September 2006 (MST)
"Of course"? Uh, the main problem I have with it is that it shouldn't be arbitrary, formatting should make sense. Kerochan no Miko 18:58, 23 September 2006 (MST)

^ It makes sense for convenience purposes. I said "arbitrary" because it's, of course, unofficial divisions (tho the dates are). 210 19:12, 23 September 2006 (MST)

If there's no reason to divide them, then why do it?
I still don't see why it was necessary to reformat the list, but I put the titles into tables. Kerochan no Miko 20:25, 23 September 2006 (MST)
I think I've already mentioned/implied the reason here or in the previous versions of the page. Now I'm gonna see how you do the tables. 210 20:45, 23 September 2006 (MST)
If you had, I missed it. That's why I'm asking. Kerochan no Miko 21:02, 23 September 2006 (MST)
In case you're still puzzled, I've actually restated it in another wordings in my comment below. 210 21:11, 23 September 2006 (MST)
It's neat & easier to the eyes when checking a specific episode. Thx for the work! 210 21:00, 23 September 2006 (MST)

The bolded names are not terribly attractive, IMHO. Kerochan no Miko 20:56, 6 October 2006 (MST)

It's not meant to be an aesthetical improvement. Just for easier reference to the eyes while looking up the name links. --210 21:16, 6 October 2006 (MST)
Again, IMHO, it's not needed.
1) It's inconsistent with page formatting from other cast lists.
2) It doesn't do much for "easier reference" - if anything, I find it harder to read.
3) Did I mention it's ugly? :P
Kerochan no Miko 21:21, 6 October 2006 (MST)
1) This is an important point.
2) Oh really? (Obviously I don't think so, otherwise I wouldn't have made the change.)
3) It's not as aesthetically pleasant as before, but still acceptable.
Final judgment: Since 1) is more important, I'll revert it back.
--210 21:41, 6 October 2006 (MST)

Okay...what's with the "original character" asterisks? Again, inconsistent, distracting, and unnecessary. Kerochan no Miko 19:58, 14 October 2006 (MST)

I expect some Sailor Moon fans who read this article don't know about PGSM, hence I add it. Since it's a footnote, it's nothing to do w/ consistency (you can add it here but not there in any part of any article depending on needs). And I don't think it's that distracting. --210 20:37, 14 October 2006 (MST)
Obviously you don't, because you added it, but I do find it distracting and kind of annoying. There are anime-only characters, manga-only characters, and PGSM-only characters, and I don't see a reason to note which are which except on their individual articles. Kerochan no Miko 21:45, 14 October 2006 (MST)
It's because I expected that that I added it! There're long-time manga/anime fans who don't know about PGSM, which is the latest Sailor Moon series. So there's no need to note the manga/anime-only characters in the character list like in the PGSM list. Of course they can look into the PGSM character articles to know it, just like looking into the manga/anime ones to know which are the manga/anime-only characters, but the added simple notes can offer them a convenience of noting that at a glance, w/o the need to go over all individual articles before getting it. And I don't find it unacceptably distracting, certainly not annoying. Since you find it being so, I guess that's our difference. On another note, it's not my invention. I got the idea, which I think is good, from the Japanese PGSM Wiki, tho I improved it by not repeating the words of note after each PGSM-only character name. --210 05:26, 15 October 2006 (MST)
You like it. I don't. I guess we need a third opinion to decide whether it stays or goes. Kerochan no Miko 10:06, 15 October 2006 (MST)
I think it's unnecessary and just looks plain bad. Anyway, if somebody's a long-time anime/manga fan, they will be able to notice unfamiliar names easily even if they're not marked. Elanorea 10:44, 15 October 2006 (MST)
Agreed. I'm taking them out. I also think the page looks fine as it is and doesn't need to keep getting its formatting messed with. Kerochan no Miko 11:31, 15 October 2006 (MST)

^ Yeah, getting a 3rd opinion is always a good idea, since a plebisite (sp?) is impractical here, an approximate democracy is a good substitute. Now it's 2:1, hence I lose the vote. lol Case settled now. --210 21:53, 15 October 2006 (MST)

Aliases[edit]

"Sailor Rabbit"? "Nefurin"? What are these from? Kerochan no Miko 08:46, 30 September 2006 (MST)

"Sailor Rabbit" - Act Zero, when Usagi introduced herself to the gang.
"Nefurin" - Act ?, when Motoki introduced Nephrite to Usagi & Ami.
--210 21:33, 30 September 2006 (MST)

Rollback[edit]

Edits were rolled back because the original information was correct. Kerochan no Miko 14:21, 11 December 2006 (MST)

Screencaps[edit]

I've been adding screencaps from the tv broadcast (which is all I have) - they're not the best quality, but at least we have pictures now. If someone out there has the DVDs, please replace them with better-quality images. Kerochan no Miko 08:22, 2 March 2007 (MST)

Omake[edit]

I've been meaning to do something about the "Oshiokiyo" omake on the DVDs, but I haven't decided just how to do it. I could include the information from them on the individual articles for all the DVDs (another thing I keep meaning to do), or I could make a separate article just about the omake segments themselves. Any opinions? Kerochan no Miko 04:52, 29 December 2007 (MST)

I think you could also do a hybrid of the two by using links to connect the articles concerned, i.e. a separate "Omake" article w/ a section listing the titles of all the omake segments in the DVDs, which are linked to the respective "Omake" sections in the DVD articles. --210 06:10, 29 December 2007 (MST)
All of the omake segments have the same title, though. From what I've seen, they're all called "Sailor Moon ni Oshiokiyo." Kerochan no Miko 14:03, 29 December 2007 (MST)
I think that they have the same title, but they go over a set number of acts, like say 1-3 and etc. I'm not 100% sure if they're in the titel, though. WaterKnight 15:25, 29 December 2007 (MST)
The episode numbers aren't listed on the title screen - it's just that the segment on each DVD goes over the episodes on that DVD. Kerochan no Miko 15:41, 29 December 2007 (MST)
Actually when I wrote my last comment above I wasn't 100% sure whether they've unique titles at all (my memory is blurred lol). So if there're such titles, it's all fine; if not, as it is, we could still list the omake in some ways, e.g. indexing by DVDs. On another note, now that I've seen the DVD articles "in-action," I think the connection I mentioned above could also be the other way round, i.e. linking from the DVD articles to the relevant sections in the "Omake" article. --210 20:32, 29 December 2007 (MST)

Birth of Tuxedo Kamen[edit]

Should we include the Birth of Tuxedo Kamen? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBvZv7DDTtc (This unsigned comment was left by MusicallyObsessedBoi, March 14, 2010)

I don't know what you mean - it is "included" in the Act Zero article. Kerochan no Miko 11:54, 14 March 2010 (MST)