Talk:Evil

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I think this has been tagged for quite a while, and no attempts have been made to justify it - maybe it should be deleted? Elanorea 04:28, 10 June 2007 (MST)

But I notice that you've edited it after it's been tagged? j/k I've a feeling that if it's rewritten (even involving changing its title), it might be fit for being here. Otherwise, yeah, it should be deleted. --210 06:11, 10 June 2007 (MST)

Maybe it needs to have more of a discussion on what evil is in Sailor Moon, and how it's shown in Sailor Moon. -Malkinann 06:28, 10 June 2007 (MST)

Yeah, that's sthg like what I've in mind. BTW, I'm removing the tag since it's actually added by a non-admin. lol --210 21:29, 10 June 2007 (MST)

Two wrongs don't make a right, 210. Kerochan no Miko 22:07, 10 June 2007 (MST)

What do you mean? --210 22:35, 10 June 2007 (MST)

I see it now - stupid me. lol --210 22:45, 10 June 2007 (MST)

I really don't think you do.

The first wrong was another user adding the esoteric tag. Yours was removing it. Neither one should be done except by admins. Kerochan no Miko 23:32, 10 June 2007 (MST)

I thought you were talking about my wrongly placing the Stub category instead of the Stub template. lol And I thought since the tag wasn't added by an admin, it's ok to delete it. Now you've said it's not, but I won't revert that deletion - otherwise I'd be in effect adding the tag, making it "three wrongs." ^^ --210 06:00, 11 June 2007 (MST)

The Dark Kingdom isn't evil, Queen Metalia is.

Hasn't it been clarified that in all continuities of the series that Queen Beryl and the dark kingdom aren't originally evil? Queen Metalia exploited her jealousy and corrupted her and the Shitennou. If you put the dark kingdom on the list you should include The Black moon Clan and Shadow Galactica too. Maybe even the Dead moon Circus

Also The Animamatse in the anime were supposedly corrupted by Chaos. In the Manga however they were evil. You should at least state in which version they were evil and even then, The Dark Kingdom were being manipulated not evil, that goes for all versions. The Musicals, the anime, the games and the manga.Minakoaino 13:39, 2 December 2010 (MST)

Now we're getting into personal interpretations of just what constitutes "evil." I don't see any problem with the article as it stands; perhaps adding figures as an additional heading group would work, but I don't see a reason to completely remove the enemy groups. Kerochan no Miko 22:46, 3 December 2010 (MST)

I think the article should use individuals rather than groups and be split into anime, musicals, manga and PGSM. That way its clear which version theyre evil in.

something like

ANIME:

Queen Metalia, Death Phantom, Rubeus, The Witches 5, Kaolinite (debateable), Zirconia, Pharaoh 90

MANGA:

Queen Metalia, The Ayakashi Sisters, Rubeus, Esmeraude, The Black Moon Clan, Death Phantom, the Witches 5, Kaolinite, Queen Nehellenia, Pharaoh 90, The Sailor Animamates

PGSM:

Queen Metalia, Mio Kuroki, Dark Mercury (debateable)

Minakoaino 19:37, 4 December 2010 (MST)

Now that i think about it, i think it should be laid out like the Shadow Galactica page. That'd be perfect. Minakoaino

When you start putting "debatable" in then it's about your opinion. This wiki isn't about opinion; it's about fact. I don't see any reason to split them up, considering that the evil groups are the evil groups in either anime or manga. Kerochan no Miko 21:08, 4 December 2010 (MST)

sorry i don't understand what you mean... im just saying on the spot i cant verify Kaolinite's evilness because I can't remember I haven't seen Kaolinite's episodes in years... some groups are evil in the manga but not the anime. Like the Sailor Animamates and the Ayakashi Sisters. The only group that is consistent is the Witches 5. Queen Nehellenia is evil in the manga nd not in the anime too. The Dark Kingdom is corrupted by Metalia in ALL versions. And then again, other than the four forms of Chaos (Metalia, Phraoh 90, Death Phantom and Nehellenia, but not Nehellenia in the anime) the only truly evil people that is a form of Chaos as Usagi says, "because the Light of Hope is also in peoples' minds) however the Witches 5 is a strange one, they are daimons in the manga which means they are corrupted humans but in the anime it is left open whoever due to the fact daimon creation was not as refined yet they probably are not daimons. Probably humanoids from the Tau Nebula. So i think it should be listed as

EVIL:

Queen Metalia

Death Phantom

Pharaoh 90

Queen Nehellenia (manga only)

The Witches 5

Black Moon Clan

The Sailor Animamates (manga only)

Minakoaino 00:53, 5 December 2010 (MST)

These people are evil or not evil in your opinion. As I said, this wiki is not about your opinion.

The "enemy" groups "bring about affliction and death" in any version of the series, and therefore for the purposes of this article they are considered "evil" no matter what your personal feelings about them are. Kerochan no Miko 08:31, 5 December 2010 (MST)

okay, then what about the Black Moon Clan (trying to kill Chibiusa again and again) and the Dead Moon Circus (sadistically attempting to kill people by destroying their dreams) be included, and the Witches 5 is a subgroup of the Death Busters... So shouldnt Witches 5 be taken off and Sailor Animamates replaced with Shadow Galactica? ^.^ and The Makaiju aliens were on the brink of killing towards their desperation... Minakoaino

What do you mean in your opinion, isn't the definition of evil in the article the opinion of whoever wrote it?Muunraito-riarugaaru 15:04, 6 December 2010 (MST)

Muunraito-riarugaaru, I would really appreciate it if you would format your talk page comments correctly so I don't have to fix them every time.

The definition of evil used in this article is the definition from a dictionary, it appears. So unless you want to start claiming that a dictionary is opinionated (please don't) then no. Kerochan no Miko 16:02, 6 December 2010 (MST)

sorry I really am not sure what the hell is wrong with all of my browsers. Much of the time it just ends up like that (in the little dotted box) Do you know how to fix that? Anyway, the article's included all the "evil" groups according to the definition now so everything's fine. ^_^Muunraito-riarugaaru 17:15, 6 December 2010 (MST)

removed Witches 5. or else you would have to include every subgroup. Shitennou, Ayakashi Sisters, Amazon Trio, Amazoness Quartet and The Sailor Animamates. Should the Makaiju Aliens, Princess Snow Kaguya, Fiore and the Flower Youma and Queen Bandiane and her Fairies be included too? And The Myu only villains? Minakoaino

Missed?

Have a missed any group? (The neutral groups of Count Dracul, The Hoshino Family, Loof Merrow and Mandrake should not be included), from the anime, manga or musicals. Does Queen Mio in the special act still come under the Dark Kingdom? Cartwheelingfiesta 23:05, 6 March 2011 (MST)

Also for "Death Vulcan, Coatl, Dark Nibiru, Queen Badiane, Princess Snow Kaguya and The Xenian Flower. Were there "groups" ever named? Because those are all individuals or leaders (except for Coatl)...Cartwheelingfiesta 21:01, 7 March 2011 (MST)

Yes, Mio still counts as Dark Kingdom, and as for the second, that would be why I changed it to be "individuals or groups" since some of the ones on the list were just individuals with followers. Kerochan no Miko 00:24, 8 March 2011 (MST)

Musical Only

do we really need to include which continuities they appear in? It doesn't really make a difference and it sorta makes the page ugly. Cartwheelingfiesta 21:16, 29 June 2011 (MST)

I tend to agree with you on this one. Kerochan no Miko 21:32, 29 June 2011 (MST)

Removing it, then. --210 22:59, 29 June 2011 (MST)