Talk:Princess Sailor Moon

Because Usagi has a zillion different identities, I'm arguing in favor of seperate pages for at least some of them. :p --Elfir 12:13, 16 May 2006 (MST)

I agree... I'm actually in favour of separate Senshi/civilan identity articles, but until we actually have some articles about their civilain forms I don't think it's that important a point.

Okay, what's with the character psychoanalysis? I would personally debate the assertion being made there, and don't see what it has to do with anything. Kerochan no Miko 00:57, 27 June 2006 (MST)

Well, it's neither supposed to be hard-core professional (hence the word "psychoanalyticalLY", meaning in such fashion or style), nor the only possible way of understanding PSM. Alternative ways of understanding under different theoretical traditions can always be added. Whatever ways, the aim is to offer different angles to understand the character (an analogy is that you may use MRI scan and/or PET scan and/or X-way and/or whatever to look at a patient's physiological structure with different kinds of images generated).210.245.162.185 06:37, 27 June 2006 (MST)

I think KnM's point is that it's purely speculation, and at the moment it looks like an extablished fact. At the very least this should be labelled as a fan theory, but I'm not even sure about that, because it's basically just the opinions of one fan. And in all fairness, even a professional psychoanalyst would struggle to do a decent job of analysing a fictional character. Dooky 07:57, 27 June 2006 (MST)

Exactly. At best, it's just fanwank - dressing up speculation in fancy terms doesn't make it any more legitimate. AFAIK, this project is about facts and not theoretical ways to "understand" characters. She is what she is. Kerochan no Miko 11:50, 27 June 2006 (MST)

Editing done in the fashion of Mio Kuroki's article. Now I think using the word "psychoanalytically" is not good as it gives an impression of being professional, which isn't the case and is never intended to be, and I'd also doubted if it was an established English word when I wrote it.210.245.162.185 17:52, 27 June 2006 (MST)

I would still debate that PSM is a "fragment" of Serenity - there's no indication that I've seen that she's any way less than the Princess, and if anything is more, considering that she has access to Sailor Moon's powers as well. Kerochan no Miko 19:01, 27 June 2006 (MST)

It's a tricky subject, because there are numerous characters whose natures are never explained and are hence hightly debatable. The example that's popped into my head just now is Ptilol. I can't wade into this debate because I haven't seen the series, but I strongly suggest keeping the comments confined to common arguments in the fandom and not spiralling off into pet theories. Dooky 19:21, 27 June 2006 (MST)

Agreed - I don't see any reason to have the "speculation" section at all. The aforementioned bit about Kuroki Mio is valid because they explicitly state that she's Beryl's "shadow" but there's never any discussion that I recall of PSM's mental state. Kerochan no Miko 23:11, 27 June 2006 (MST)

Okay, and the change made today doesn't improve matters any. It's completely speculation and doesn't belong in the article, IMHO. Kerochan no Miko 10:44, 28 June 2006 (MST)

Rewritten to avoid controversial psychological wordings. 210.245.162.185 19:36, 29 June 2006 (MST)

No, it's not the psychobabble that I object to, it's the fact that what you're putting there is baseless fan speculation. There's nothing that I can recall in canon that says PSM is "repressed feelings" of anything, so unless you can come up with a citation to prove the idea, it doesn't really belong in the article. IMHO. Kerochan no Miko 22:32, 29 June 2006 (MST)

In my last version, I've actually discarded wordings about repression. But anyway, I'm fed up with typing this ":::" thing (on-screen keyboard is a living hell). lol Won't respond on this issue again. Case closed. 210.245.162.185 00:35, 30 June 2006 (MST)

The new PSM image at the top looks cold & even a bit creepy, but that represents her character. --210 20:53, 17 February 2007 (MST)

Spoiler template

I removed this because, as I mentioned on the template's talk page, and in accordance with site policy, this whole project is full of spoilers and we don't have to warn people every time one's coming up. Dooky 23:06, 2 June 2006 (MST)