Talk:Saphir
I removed the part about NQS sending Usagi power because it's speculation. Entirely possible, but it's also possible that it was just because the reactor was open to the surface of Nemesis (as the characters themselves pointed out). Can't state things without definitive proof. Kerochan no Miko 18:29, 2 May 2008 (MST)
- After Sailor Moon and the other three escape, in Act 21 Nemesis/Secret Maneuvering, King Endymion goes to watch the sleeping Neo Queen Serenity and says: "You saved Sailor Moon with your power. I felt your effect on her. She couldn't use it in the future, the past Sailor Moon's Mystical Silver Crystal. Was it you that released its power?" This from Glover's translation. Does it say different in the Japanese manga?CosmicUsagi 19:34, 2 May 2008 (MST)
- Yes, but the picture accompanying Endymion saying that is of the Senshi escaping from Nemesis, not of Usagi transforming. She helped in some fashion, but I think it's far too ambiguous to be stated as fact that NQS helped Usagi to transform. Kerochan no Miko 20:00, 2 May 2008 (MST)
- How would you put, "helped in some fashion", then? Perhaps: "NQS sent power to her younger self and Usagi transformed", instead of "was able to transform"? Unless you mean her help didn't come at that moment at all, but later. I always thought the light that came from Usagi's Crystal was sent by Neo Queen Serenity, not only because NQS's crystal case started shining right before, but because Wiseman and Black Lady were still at the Time Gates, at the very Time Stream, when they felt it (you can see the fog surrounding Black Lady, and she tells Wiseman she will go with him to Nemesis, thus they're not on Nemesis, and they certainly aren't in Crystal Tokyo). When Wiseman goes to Nemesis to see what happened, he says the power of the crystal crossed time and space, then Sailor Moon confronts him and the image of NQS appears behind her and the senshi actually see it, so it's not merely symbolic. If she just helped them return, they had the key for that, and the King says "You saved Sailor Moon", not that she had saved the four senshi. So, how would you mention that "help" in the text?CosmicUsagi 20:57, 2 May 2008 (MST)
- Where does it say she "sent power to her younger self" at all? Endymion, after all, just says that NQS caused the crystal to release its power. That's not "sending power." What does it mean, then? He didn't explain.
- As for mentioning that help...I wouldn't mention it, exactly as it is now. See, I'm sure she did something. But what she did, nobody really knows. Hence, there's nothing to really say about it.
- While I appreciate your enthusiasm, you need to be really careful about mixing up speculation and hard fact. Kerochan no Miko 21:09, 2 May 2008 (MST)
- Well then, how about "Saphir tried to kill her(...) However, his attempt was foiled when Usagi transformed and back on Earth NQS caused the crystal to unlock/release its power."? Her causing the crystal to release power is the thing we agree on, and I'd like to try all my chances before I give up. ^^
- Perhaps "sending power" was not a good wording. I consider the action of making a distant object release its power, a power in itself (for it takes some psychic/spiritual power of some sort to affect something that's so far away from you), and not necesarily that she did a flashy thing. May be the most accurate description would be: "NQS reached out with her power and and caused the crystal to release its own"CosmicUsagi 21:57, 2 May 2008 (MST)
- How about we don't mention it at all, as I already said. Kerochan no Miko 08:12, 3 May 2008 (MST)
- How would you put, "helped in some fashion", then? Perhaps: "NQS sent power to her younger self and Usagi transformed", instead of "was able to transform"? Unless you mean her help didn't come at that moment at all, but later. I always thought the light that came from Usagi's Crystal was sent by Neo Queen Serenity, not only because NQS's crystal case started shining right before, but because Wiseman and Black Lady were still at the Time Gates, at the very Time Stream, when they felt it (you can see the fog surrounding Black Lady, and she tells Wiseman she will go with him to Nemesis, thus they're not on Nemesis, and they certainly aren't in Crystal Tokyo). When Wiseman goes to Nemesis to see what happened, he says the power of the crystal crossed time and space, then Sailor Moon confronts him and the image of NQS appears behind her and the senshi actually see it, so it's not merely symbolic. If she just helped them return, they had the key for that, and the King says "You saved Sailor Moon", not that she had saved the four senshi. So, how would you mention that "help" in the text?CosmicUsagi 20:57, 2 May 2008 (MST)
- Yes, but the picture accompanying Endymion saying that is of the Senshi escaping from Nemesis, not of Usagi transforming. She helped in some fashion, but I think it's far too ambiguous to be stated as fact that NQS helped Usagi to transform. Kerochan no Miko 20:00, 2 May 2008 (MST)
