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This page is for general discussion about the project. For questions about the Sailor Moon series itself, visit the Reference desk.

Old discussions on this page, which have been inactive for over a month, will be archived on a monthly basis. You can access the archives using the box below.

Community Portal Talk Archives

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To-Do List

These are the main needs of the project at the moment:

General Needs

Requests for Information

  • Anything in the musical section, especially character profiles.
  • Kanji/kana and romaji titles in the PGSM episodes.
  • Fandom-related articles (general fandom, not specific fanfics, etc)

Requests for Images

Articles to be Cleaned Up


Upcoming Projects

Discussion Archiving

This page and the talk page for the main page are getting pretty long and it may be time for pruning. Is there a way to archive this stuff? Do we need to?--WikiSysop 19:31, 14 August 2006 (MST)

Actually I'm gonna talk about it this morning. I'm no Wiki expert, but is it possible to make it forum-like, i.e. titles w/ the latest input at the top? 210 19:40, 14 August 2006 (MST)
Not sure what you're asking regarding making if forum-like (the only way we could make new posts appear at the top would be to tell people to always post at the top, which would probably confuse people). Regarding archiving though... this can be done very easily. We actually have an archive system in place for old featured articles/episodes. I'll need to make some adjustments to make it work here though. Do you think we should archive after a set period of time, ie once a month? dooky 16:01, 16 August 2006 (MST)
I meant if someone add msg under title X, X would be automatically moved to the top together w/ all msg under it. But I guess this isn't technically feasible, but if archiving is possible, it's also good. And yes, msg under titles inactive for a certain period of time should be archived, w/ the exception of the "sticky"-labelled ones. 210 17:33, 16 August 2006 (MST)

Once a month archiving is fine.--WikiSysop 20:45, 16 August 2006 (MST)

As you can hopefully see, the system is now in action, her and on the Main Page's discussion page. I'll eventually introduce it for the Reference Desk too, but that's not so urgent right now.

I think it's time for another archiving (haven't checked the date of the last one tho). Don't know yours, but my scroll bar has become a thin line now. ^^; --210 21:40, 15 October 2006 (MST)

Kerochan, could you do it? --210 18:30, 23 November 2006 (MST)
This will be complete in just a few minutes. --MarioKnight 19:44, 23 November 2006 (MST)
.....and it's done. @_@ --MarioKnight 20:03, 23 November 2006 (MST)
Seems like it's a bit more tricky than it seems. ^^; Anyway, thx! ^^ --210 05:32, 24 November 2006 (MST)

The Main Page

Uh hey, has anyone noticed how the featured articles haven't changed sisce June. Don't mean to be rude or anything but don't you think now would be the time to change. I dunno, maybe it's ANNUAL or something but it's really time for a change!

It's dooky's job and he's been busy. I don't know how it works but if one of the other sysops cares to figure it out they are welcome to change it. The featured articles on the front page are just a highlight of one or two articles so it doesn't matter much. At least, I don't think people are coming to wikimoon for the front page.--WikiSysop 05:09, 27 October 2006 (MST)
Yeah, but it would be nice to see a refresh once in a while. ^_^ Hopefully, someone can take care of it soon then. What's a sysops?--Sakky 05:25, 27 October 2006 (MST)
Mr Sysops is a Vulcan (an E.T. humanoid w/ pointed ears & obsessed w/ logic) like Mr Spock in Star Trek... Ok, it stands for "System Operators", i.e. admins. lol --210 05:53, 27 October 2006 (MST)
Oh, okay, haha. ^^;; --Sakky 06:01, 27 October 2006 (MST)
If y'all have an article in mine you want to see for it, then go ahead and suggest and discuss it here, and I'll get it changed up if dooky's still busy. --MarioKnight 01:10, 28 October 2006 (MST)
I'd like to nominate either Sailor Moon in North America or Otaku senshi for the featured article and as we've had several anime episodes I'd like to nomiate Act 7 - He Saw Me Transforming! for featured article (although I'd prefer to nominate Casablanca Memory but it hasn't been written yet and Act 17 - Minako Transforms in Front of Rei's Eyes which I've always been fond of doesn't have a picture yet). --GracieLizzie 10:00, 28 October 2006 (MST)

Btw, if anyone wants to prepare the code/graphics for an update, I'll just upload it and that'd be that.--WikiSysop 06:04, 9 November 2006 (MST)

Would this be just like writing the article... but different? I am not sure how this is done otherwise I would gladly help  :D--Sakky 17:42, 11 November 2006 (MST)
You may look at the source code of the current main page to know how to do the required formats, etc., if you're interested. --210 18:50, 11 November 2006 (MST)

Kero is our first new sysop since almost the start of WikiMoon. (Others include GraceLizzie and MarioKnight.) She's contributed numerous PGSM synopses that she's written herself for the project, and is one of our most active members. She's going to take over a lot of the small tasks like locking the "Today in Sailor Moon" stuff, changing the front page, etc.--WikiSysop 12:28, 16 November 2006 (MST)

Congrats Kerochan! But where's Dooky? --210 18:37, 16 November 2006 (MST)

Any suggestions for next month's featured article? Kerochan no Miko 23:33, 22 November 2006 (MST)

Trivia policy

I want to bring this up because trivia is being so attacked by deletionist-types over at Wikipedia. I want to know what we think of Trivia sections in articles. Personally I am (mostly) in support of them if they are correct and use references when required. I think the attitude many Wikipedian's take is depressing as I find trivia sections to be interesting and are often my favourite parts of articles (especially the Doctor Who serial/episode articles. Of course trivia can get out of hand when really, really, really, trivial notes are added however I think with proper managing trivia sections can be a joy to read. What are others opinions on this? --GracieLizzie 05:06, 9 November 2006 (MST)

This is a good question. I've been thinking we need to develop a policy on this. Trivia can be very fun and interesting, and we shouldn't get rid of them, but we should be selective in what gets put up. I think we need to go on a case-by-case basis.
For the most part, my biggest gripe, which I've sounded off about before, is that sometimes trivia becomes "Here is something I thought of while watching." That's not really trivia. Alternatively, it becomes nitpick central.
Really good trivia usually breaks the fourth wall; Mitsuishi Kotono was out for a cold and so Araki Kae took over during episodes 44-51. Stuff like that, production related. Or it involves what's particularly notable about an episode. First appearance of this or last appearance of that.--WikiSysop 06:09, 9 November 2006 (MST)
I think trivia notes (discounting the false ones) fall into a spectrum: on one end there're really big, even surprising "secrets" that no one seems to know beforehand; on the other end there're really minimal notes that no one seems to care & are prone to be discarded by others. A majority falls in-between, of course. BTW, there's an interesting book about the trivia culture & its maniacs, Brainiac by Ken Jennings. --210 19:24, 9 November 2006 (MST)

Live Action Attack

Should Cresent Beam be mentioned in live action on Sailor Venus's page. She used it once in the live action series without words. Delenn7 16:58, 9 November 2006 (MST)

I've added it but I've listed it as an unnamed attack and mentioned it's resemblance to Crescent Beam. --GracieLizzie 17:24, 9 November 2006 (MST)
I've also added another one into Sailor Jupiter's page. --210 18:41, 9 November 2006 (MST)

About The senshi's Proflies

Should things like the senshis birthstones and hobbies be added in their profiles? Delenn7 19:57, 9 November 2006 (MST)

If you meant adding new fields into their character info tables, I'd say no, since it'd make the tables too unwieldy, but I think it's ok to mention such info in their trivia sections or dedicated sections for it. --210 03:36, 10 November 2006 (MST)
Their hobbies are already mentioned in at least some of the articles, amongst their personal info. If anyone really cares about their birthstones or blood types, I suppose those could be added as well. Kerochan no Miko 11:10, 10 November 2006 (MST)

Page Editing

I would just like to remind everyone about the existence of the "preview" button - when an article is edited and then re-edited several times in a row, it can create edit conflicts when someone else tries to edit it. I hate messing up someone else's work as much as I hate losing what I've been working on, so I encourage everyone to please preview and then save in order to keep re-edits to a minimum. Kerochan no Miko 22:25, 12 November 2006 (MST)

Sailor Moon's Last Manga Attack

Should these two attacks be added in Sailor Moon's info: Silver Moon Crystal Eternal Power -- Eternal Sailor Moon's power used in Volume 18, Act 52 which causes the sailor crystals from inside the Galaxy Cauldron to fly out in all directions at Chaos until it breaks apart. Sonic Scream Sailor Moon begins to scream. Her odangos begin to glow and a blast of energy comes forth creating a powerful scream that shatters everything. She used this the fist 3 acts in the manga, she also used the sonic scream in the first episode, she did it with Chibimoon in episode 153 A Dentist of Terror? PallaPalla's House. ChibiMoon also did a Sonic scream in Chibi-Usa's Picture Diary in manga volume 15. 01:35, 16 November 2006 (MST)

You copied and pasted that from the oracle. This is just on a talk page so it's not something we would block a person for, but you are a previously banned user. We've asked you politely before to stop posting here, but we can ask rudely as well. So stop it. Furthermore, stop creating alternative screennames like Delenn7, we know those as well. Turn around and walk away.--WikiSysop 12:06, 16 November 2006 (MST)
This should probably be discussed on the Sailor Moon talk page, but I think any powers that she uses should be included in her page. However, 'Silver Moon Crystal Eternal Power' does not cause all the crystals to do that. Something called the Lambda Power, though we don't get a lot of information about it. I am not even clear if that is Sailor Moon's power or not, but the way I understand it - the Lambda Power is the power of the Cauldron to regenerate itself. Sailor Moon might have just helped ignite it. The Sonic Scream should be included, though is that the MIXX name for it?--Sakky 07:09, 16 November 2006 (MST)
On the Sailor Chibi Moon page I called the scream thing "Supersonic Waves". Also, from looking at the manga translations, Silver Moon Crystal Eternal Power was used to attack Chaos, but the Lambda Power was what caused the rebirth. Kerochan no Miko 11:53, 16 November 2006 (MST)
Was Silver Moon Crystal Eternal Power used at any other time?--Sakky 15:57, 16 November 2006 (MST)
Not that I've appears to have only appeared the one time, so it's fairly hard to say what it actually is meant to do. --Kerochan no Miko 16:19, 16 November 2006 (MST)

Style Guide

I would really like to have some kind of style guide for the site, just for consistency - that way we know what needs italics and what doesn't, what should be capitalized and what shouldn't, what spellings we're using for things, stuff like that. Anyone else...? Kerochan no Miko 18:00, 23 November 2006 (MST)

Me too. --210 18:27, 23 November 2006 (MST)
Yes definitely. --GracieLizzie 11:43, 3 December 2006 (MST)
Okay, a couple comments...
Dates: I like either December 6, 2006 or 6 December 2006 (we need to pick one for consistency, but these are the ones I like)
Italics: titles of books and CDs should be italicized; titles of songs, episodes, seasons, myus, should not. I think maybe "Sailor Moon" when used as the entire metaseries should be italicized, to differentiate it from the other uses of the term.
Kerochan no Miko 13:49, 6 December 2006 (MST)
[Re: Dates] I like the 1st one.
[Re: Italics] No objection.
--210 17:20, 6 December 2006 (MST)
Also, magazines shouldn't be italicized. And section headings should be treated as titles when it comes to capitalization (first and last word capitalized; articles, short prepositions, conjunctions, infinitive "to" in lower case, etc). Kerochan no Miko 17:39, 6 December 2006 (MST)
How about using quotation marks for mags instead? As for section headings, I'd like the rule to be also applicable to romaji ones if any. --210 17:50, 6 December 2006 (MST)
Oh, I was wrong - magazine titles should get italics, according to my style guide, and I tend to agree with it. And agreed on romaji titles, though I'm not quite so good with capitalization of those so I'll probably need corrections. :P And should it be "romaji" or "romanji"? I've seen both on the site. Kerochan no Miko 21:24, 6 December 2006 (MST)

^ I also think italics is better than quotation marks or other means for denoting mag titles. And it should be "romaji". "Romanji" could mean "romantic words" if there's such a term at all. lol --210 23:28, 6 December 2006 (MST)

Also read my comment at Template talk:EpisodeBox (currently the last one). --210 23:48, 6 December 2006 (MST)

Due to yet another (significant) Wiki design bug/shortcoming, the mere editing of the templates for the romaji thing is insufficient - you've still gotta edit each article, otherwise the original contents in the romaji slot won't show. (When you open the edit page of the article, it still shows "romanji" even when the template has already been edited, & the original contents of the slot only show in such edit page after the template has been edited.) This is because the old template has already been "loaded" into the articles, & the Wiki S/W can't make all the necessary adjustments throughout the site after the template has been edited. But now I've got a solution, & I'll confirm here if it works. --210 18:28, 7 December 2006 (MST)
It works. Lesson learnt: if you wanna change the slot titles in templates, don't change the ones w/i the {} brackets (& those in the articles' edit pages as well). It doesn't matter since those unchanged slot titles won't show up in the articles. So let's keep some of the romance! lol --210 19:12, 7 December 2006 (MST)
I think it's possible to edit multiple pages at once...I just don't know how. --Kerochan no Miko 20:49, 7 December 2006 (MST)
Actually I've asked about "global editing" before when I saw Dooky edited each & every page for the same thing, but he so far didn't answered & I don't know whether he's already checked the availability of such facility. --210 04:19, 8 December 2006 (MST)

Transformation Navigation

Does anyone else think it might be a good idea to put a navigation template similar to the Episode navigation template on things like transformations and transformation items? --GracieLizzie 11:43, 3 December 2006 (MST)

Some kind of navigation template would be nice for transformations and attacks, but I don't know if it should look like the episode template... Kerochan no Miko 12:01, 3 December 2006 (MST)
Try making one then, Gracie, so we could make suggestion of any changes regarding its form & shape. --210 17:52, 3 December 2006 (MST)

System Response Times

I've experienced lengthy response times more often lately - is it related to the Taiwan quake (which is seriously hampering my access to Japanese sites because the resultant rerouting leads to traffic jam - hence you can see me here more often recently)? (Tho I guess the WikiMoon server is in the States.) --210 23:10, 28 December 2006 (MST)

I haven't been having any unusual problems lately. Kerochan no Miko 23:18, 28 December 2006 (MST)
At this moment the system response is normal to me. Not knowing about the global communication network architecture, I've no idea (I can still access a few Japanese sites efficiently - their servers not in Japan? Clever/privileged rerouting?), & I don't know the exact damage situation of the Pacific cable trunks. --210 23:43, 28 December 2006 (MST)

Nice wiki!

Frankly, I was quite surprised to find such a detailed Sailor Moon wiki "out there in the wilderness", so to speak, mentioned in neither Wikimedia nor Wikia's interwiki map, although I have just asked Wikia to add WikiMoon to their interwiki map. Nice work!

I'm a newcomer here, so here are a few questions about this wiki's operation:

  • Why did you choose a CC-NC license, which is GFDL-incompatible, while both Wikimedia and Wikia use the GFDL for their projects?
  • Why is uploading disabled?
  • Would you be interested in being hosted by Wikia if they made such a proposal?

(Disclaimer: I'm not an official spokesperson and I'm not affiliated with Wikia in any way other then actively contributing to some of their wikis.) - Sikon 07:59, 1 January 2007 (MST)

Thanks for the comments. Regarding the license, CC-NC fits the limited editorial control we seek.
Uploading is disabled due to server permission issues.
As for Wikia, probably not unless we ran into a real crunch with bandwidth.--WikiSysop 09:46, 1 January 2007 (MST)

WikiMoon Web

I figure it's about time we got started on the WW project already. Let's come up with the framework and rules. My one stipulation is that there's going to be a page called "Editor's Choice" which will have a recommended list of top sites in this or that field as decided by the SysOps and some of the regulars from these last 8 months. I don't want to leave that page open to the general public since it can get bitter. Apart from the Editor's Choice selection, the way WikiMoon Web would be setup is up to you guys.--WikiSysop 08:43, 12 January 2007 (MST)

Oddly enough, I was thinking about that this morning, too. Should we make a WW front page similar to the main WikiMoon front page, to make sure it's obvious it's a separate section? Kerochan no Miko 12:27, 12 January 2007 (MST)
That's a good idea. Just make sure that the 2 are interlinked in their respective front pages for users'/viewers' convenience. --210 17:26, 12 January 2007 (MST)
Yeah let's completely separate them. Different namespace, different front page.--WikiSysop 21:51, 12 January 2007 (MST)
And if I knew how to make it in different namespace, I'd be all for doing it. :P Kerochan no Miko 22:44, 12 January 2007 (MST)

Sailor Moon Music

I've had a problem in loading this page since yesterday (loading stops halfway w/ a source code showing in the last line loaded). Anyone or is it just me? --210 18:59, 21 January 2007 (MST)

As usual, it's just you. Kerochan no Miko 19:19, 21 January 2007 (MST)
When I was attempting to open this page yesterday (after I finished editing it), there seemed to be some interruption in my wifi connection, & I've not been able to completely load it since then (even the edit button, navigation at the left, etc. don't show). Oh well. *shrug* --210 19:31, 21 January 2007 (MST)
Well, have you cleared your cache? It loads immediately for me, no problems. Kerochan no Miko 19:41, 21 January 2007 (MST)
Thx. Yeah, I'm also suspecting that my tablet kinda "remembers" the page's state at the point of the interruption. --210 20:32, 21 January 2007 (MST)
It's ok now. Thx again. --210 20:50, 21 January 2007 (MST)

Speaking of the music page, is there a standard template for the lyrics? I've seen a couple of different headings and orders:
Eg 1) Japanese, Romanized, English Translation
Eg 2) Romanized Japanese, English, Original Japanese

I've added lyrics to a few songs using eg 1. That was the first format I saw (Moonlight Densetsu) so I thought that was the standard template. Then I saw Otome no Policy and the format was eg 2 (I've since changed the format to eg 1). It would be nice to have a standard set of headings, like using "Japanese" instead of "Original Japanese", and a fixed order, ie, Japanese first and the English translation last. What do you think?

Btw, all of the lyrics I've seen (excluding those I added) seem to be copied and pasted directly from --Secretss 19:56, 15 April 2007 (SGT)

There isn't an official policy regarding formatting, but I believe the standard has evolved to be "Japanese," then "Romanized," then "English Translation." Kerochan no Miko 05:02, 15 April 2007 (MST)
Yeah, this is the current latest standard evolved just recently. I suggest using Moonlight Densetsu as the model, since I've updated its format everytime a new format standard has been evolved in other song articles. --210 06:48, 15 April 2007 (MST)
By the way to the "by the way", is an article on needed, and is it okay to link to them in "External links" sections? - Sikon 05:04, 15 April 2007 (MST)
No. Wait for WikiMoon Web. Kerochan no Miko 05:09, 15 April 2007 (MST)
What's WikiMoon Web? - Sikon 05:11, 15 April 2007 (MST)
Currently, it's this. It will be a section devoted to websites, once it gets done. In the meantime, we're not creating any articles about websites or linking to them for any reason other than as references. Kerochan no Miko 05:18, 15 April 2007 (MST)

Site upgrades

The current MediaWiki release is several versions above ours. Unfortunately I tried upgrading but the version of PHP used by our host (4) isn't supported by the new MediaWikis (which require 5).--WikiSysop 14:09, 16 April 2007 (MST)