Talk:Sailor Moon SuperS Special Musical Show

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Given the Japanese title that I found, I move that this article be moved to just "Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon SuperS Special Musical Show." Kerochan no Miko 18:40, 4 February 2008 (MST)

Yeah, that's the title used at the official SM site. --210 19:03, 4 February 2008 (MST)
...thank you for repeating exactly what I just said. Kerochan no Miko 19:06, 4 February 2008 (MST)
I was just expressing that I agree w/ your proposed move & my reason for that. ; ) --210 03:10, 5 February 2008 (MST)
Moved. BTW, Kerochan no Miko, in your first comment you meant "I propose that this article to be moved", right? You should create a "move" template that would automatically insert "I propose this article be moved to (insert page name)" Xd Silver 15:53, 30 January 2010 (MST)
Move, definition #11: "to make a formal request, application, or proposal."
So, yes. That is what I was saying. Kerochan no Miko 16:07, 30 January 2010 (MST)
Oh... ah... er... ^///^;
Ahem... thanks for the link, you learn something new every day... I'm stupid... But I still like the idea of the template thing, I love templates. Silver 17:00, 30 January 2010 (MST)
See, WikiMoon is educational! And if you really want a template, I'll make you a template. ^^ Kerochan no Miko 17:45, 30 January 2010 (MST)
I never said it wasn't, WikiMoon has made more for my English than years of studying the language at school and three trips to England... well, considering the education system in Spain and the fact that my dad is always the one who speaks in English when we go somewhere... yes, WikiMoon is better.
P.S.: Just FYI, and since you study Spanish, mover doesn't mean "to make a formal request, application, or proposal" in Spanish. ^o^ Silver 18:10, 30 January 2010 (MST)


What do you think about pipe link Neo Zirconia, Neo Hawk's Eye and Neo Lemures to Zirconia, Hawk's Eye and Lemures respectively and add a comment in these articles about them? Probably these characters are called Neo... because they are supposed to be defeated in the previous musical. Avocadora 11:38, 17 August 2009 (MST)

I don't care either way. Kerochan no Miko 12:58, 17 August 2009 (MST)


What's the source for the song list on this article? According to videos on YouTube the list was entirely different. Kerochan no Miko 13:15, 4 May 2011 (MST)

About the song listing, it was completely wrong because Cartwheelingfiesta was referring to the wrong musical which I pointed out to him and said I would make the change accordingly which I did. As for the cast, They are clearly called Neo Zirconia, Neo Hawk's Eye and we know the actress who played Queen Nehellenia is the same one that played one of the Lemures, Kaori Ishikawa. I did not heard them beeing called Neo Lemures but I did heard the Neo Hawk's Eye. Also could you please give a link to the official site you are referring to? -- Sailor Simon 16:46, 4 May 2011
Yes, they call each other "Neo" this and "Neo" that and refer to the "Neo Dead Moon" but the official source is the official source and therefore it trumps everything you hear. And there's only one "official site," that being . Kerochan no Miko 13:52, 4 May 2011 (MST)
Could you please give the actual page you take your information from? -- Sailor Simon 16:57, 4 May 2011's from the musicals section on the official site. Are you trying to say I'm making this up? Kerochan no Miko 13:58, 4 May 2011 (MST)
No I'm trying to say: I DON'T READ JAPANESE. that's the only thing I'm saying. -- Sailor Simon 16:59, 4 May 2011
Well, the site is in Japanese, so I don't know what good it would do for you to look at the page....
Apparently they're restructuring, but has it here. Kerochan no Miko 14:01, 4 May 2011 (MST)

Also, according to the official website, Keiko Iseki played "霊魂導師ジルコニア" - Zirconia I can see, but what's 霊魂導師? Kerochan no Miko 13:28, 4 May 2011 (MST)

Okay, never mind - apparently that's just how Zirconia has always been credited in the musicals. Kerochan no Miko 14:08, 4 May 2011 (MST)
See That is exactly what I mean. The official casting is not always right. I mean Aya Hosada is referred to as Death Vulcan Siva in official material but she is never referred as such in the musical, also she plays Dark Cain and he was never listed in the official cats list. What I'm saying is what does it matter that his name is written ジルコニア or 霊魂導師ジルコニア if he was indeed called Neo Zirconia? It didn't matter until now so why should it change if he is indeed called like that in the actual musical. Also Kaori Ishikawa was not listed as Queen Nehellenia the same way she wasn't in Saturn Fukkatsu Hen but we can clearly see that it is her playing Nehellenia. -- Sailor Simon 17:33, 4 May 2011
I'm... not sure what you're talking about with regards to "exactly what [you] mean" but there is no "Neo" in the cast list and therefore there's no "Neo" in the cast list. Kerochan no Miko 14:44, 4 May 2011 (MST)
My point is the cast is not always right. Kanoko played Sailor Pluto in Ai no Senshi but was not listed, the official list only lists Shirai Tamaki Dia as Chibi Usa and not Sailor Chibi Moon yet we saw her as Chibi Moon in the actual performance. There's tons of other exemples. Why whould the official casting change facts. If a character was named Dark Cain in the musical and the official cast list gives that character's name as Death Vulcan Siva, then the list is simply not right even if it is official.
Moreover, the official cast list gives Keiko Iseki's character's name as 霊魂導師ジルコニア and not simply ジルコニア, yet she was only called Zirconia in the musical so that's what we put, despite the official casting. Again, if she was called Neo Zirconia why should we not call her like that too? If anything we put a trivia not saying that despite being listed as Zirconia, the character was called Neo Zirconia. I mean it has its importance. During th musical Usagi even ask Neo Hawk's Eye if he is Hawk's Eye and he takes the time to correct he and says he is Neo Hawk's Eye.
You said the official cast list trumps everything I heard (which was kind of rude said like that btw)... I ask why? You're basically saying I'm deaf and I can't be right. The official cast list can't be wrong? Yes it can. -- Sailor Simon 18:02, 4 May 2011
...I really can't imagine how saying that an official source is more correct than your personal opinion can be anything but fact, because it is fact. But that's not really the point here, so on to the actual point of this conversation: when there is more than one official source, we can weigh which one is more correct and go with it. With the other musicals, we have the recordings with the cast credits at the end, we have program books, and so on and so forth. We can say, "okay, in Ai no Senshi it has Kanoko in the musical cast list but she isn't on the official site" and therefore it's clear that the credits in the musical itself are more correct so we go with that. However, since the SuperS special never had anything more official than the website (unless you can find a program book or something) all we have is the website to go by. In the absence of anything else, that is our only proof, and therefore that's what we have to use. (Oh, and the fact that Zirconia is credited as "Reikon Doushi Zirconia" but never actually called that in person doesn't really mean anything other than that Zirconia had an unused title. Kind of like that "Sage Beryl" business.) Kerochan no Miko 16:43, 4 May 2011 (MST)
... It's not my personal opinion, you admitted yourself that they call eachother Neo this and Neo that. And eternal Legend also has them listed as Neo this and Neo that. So clearly I'm not the only one who heard it. Besides what does it matter? It's not like we are going to change anything it will still redirect to Hawk's Eye. It's the same character but with another aliase that's all. How is saying that he was called Neo Hawk's Eye not true? If is true why then why should it not be there? -- Sailor Simon 19:55, 4 May 2011
Yes, they call each other that, but when Mamoru calls Usagi "Usako" that doesn't make it her actual name that goes in the credits.
Look, the fact of the matter is that the only official source we have lists him as "Hawk's Eye" and therefore anything else is fanon and thus wrong. If you can find an official source that states that "Neo Hawk's Eye" is his actual name and not just a title or a nickname or... whatever, then sure, we can change it. But until that time comes, it's staying how it is. Kerochan no Miko 17:32, 4 May 2011 (MST)
Alright I agree, like I said I thinks probably just an aliase but can we atleast make a trivia note or something about it? -- Sailor Simon 20:37, 4 May 2011
Sure, that makes sense. Kerochan no Miko 17:41, 4 May 2011 (MST)


Queen Nehellenia appeared in the musical, at the very end just like in Saturn Fukkatsu Hen. in both musicals the actress playing her is Kaori Ishikawa who in both musicals also plays a Lemures. She is only credited as a Lemures in both cast lists. I was wondering if I could add her to the cast list. -- Sailor Simon 20:52, 4 May 2011

If she isn't credited as being in the cast list then she can't go on the cast list. However, if you want to make a trivia note about it, that's fine. Kerochan no Miko 17:59, 4 May 2011 (MST)
It should be changed in the Yume Senshi Kaiteiban as well then, the article about it gives her as Queen Nehellenia. -- Sailor Simon 21:04, 4 May 2011

Move Proposal[edit]

Propose this article be moved to Sailor Moon SuperS Special Musical Show per the discussion here. Kerochan no Miko 20:39, 29 February 2012 (MST)

Fan Video[edit]

Just to make things absolutely clear: this article is considered a very rare exception to the rule that all article information must come from official sources. As the amateur videos on YouTube match the official cast list we can assume for the purposes of this article that they are authentic, and thus the list of songs performed and such can stay as they are. However, because this is not verified information, anything from that video footage can only be mentioned in this article. This means that there will be no information (in summaries, trivia notes, etc) in other articles on this wiki using information from the fan footage, but the actors/characters who appeared in the cast list are valid information because it did come from an official source. Point to this article if you must, but I want to make it absolutely clear that almost everything in here is based only on an unverified source and I don't want to start setting a precedent to allow fanon information. Kerochan no Miko 20:16, 2 March 2012 (MST)

That's seems perfectly reasonable, except I'm not exactly sure what you mean by: "Point to this article if you must". In what situation exactly should we point to this article? --Sailorsimon 02:22, 3 March 2012 (MST)
If you want to mention something about it, just point to this article instead. Kerochan no Miko 08:44, 3 March 2012 (MST)
Alright,sorry if I sound dumb, it's just that I always need an example to understand things in life; like, say the Pierrot thing, I understand that I can't talk about the footage on the article itself, but I could put a link to this article in the "See Also" section for example, is that it? --Sailorsimon 14:19, 3 March 2012 (MST)
On another note, in the article about Kaori Ishikawa, it says she played the role of Queen Nehellenia in this musical, so since it is not per official cast list, it should be removed, right? --Sailorsimon 14:19, 3 March 2012 (MST)
No, for two reasons: "See Also" sections are not encouraged in the first place, and it would also be implying that the Pierrot were definitively in this musical. And Kaori Ishikawa was not credited in official materials as Nehellenia, no - apparently I missed that when I was editing. Fixed. Kerochan no Miko 14:25, 3 March 2012 (MST)