Talk:Holy Grail

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The Item's Name

The person who wrote this page and the related pages was misinformed. First of all, this particular item was never referred to as "the Holy Grail". The word "聖杯" CAN be used to refer to the Holy Grail of Christian mythology but the word itself just means "chalice". There is no indication anywhere that this item was specifically intended to be the Holy Grail of Christian mythology (although the name was obviously supposed to imply some similarity). Furthermore, the "Rainbow Moon Chalice" was not an upgrade to this item; "Rainbow Moon Cálice" was the name Bandai gave the 聖杯 itself when it was released as a toy. (Note the spelling "Cálice" rather than "Chalice"; it was written this way on the box in Roman letters, and was written in Japanese as "カリス" ["karisu"], which does not equate to the English word "Chalice" [which would be written "チャリス", "charisu"). The name "Rainbow Moon Cálice" was never used in the manga; it was invented for the toy (like several other item names, including the Sailor Moon R items "Cutie Moon Rod" and "Crystal Star"). "Holy Moon Cálice" was the name used for the toy of the upgraded version of the 聖杯, which I believe was not named at all in the manga. Again, note the spelling "Cálice"; although the word was not written in Roman letters on the box, it was written in Japanese as "カリス" just like the "Rainbow Moon Cálice". So the "Rainbow Moon Cálice" was upgraded into the "Holy Moon Cálice", the names were only used for the toys, and neither of those names was ever used in the manga (unless I missed a reference or the names were changed in the reprint versions - I've only read the originals). So, several of these pages need to be re-written and re-named. I think think the name of page should be changed simply to "Chalice" if an English word has to be used, with redirects from the more common fan names (such as "Holy Grail"). Maboroshi 02:05, 5 September 2007 (MST)


First Appearance in Manga

I am actually unsure where in the manga to say the grail appeared, it sort of starts appearing at the end of Mugen 6, but it's fading in and doesn't "solidify" till Mugen 7. Oh and the talismans appear long before they do in the anime and they don't resonate till after the grail appears, do so but before/as Super Sailor Moon appears. GracieLizzie 09:50, 7 June 2006 (MST)

Put down Mugen 6/Mugen 7 if it's arguably both. Dooky 10:00, 7 June 2006 (MST)


Dream

In the Dream arc, a similiar chalice appears when Usagi becomes Eternal Sailor Moon. Was that ever given an actual name (a similiar object appeared in the anime in Sailor Stars, when the Eternal Tiare was powered up)- Sailor Biccy 22:51, 7 December 2006 (MST)

Are you referring to the Holy Moon Calice? If so, check out the talk page for the Eternal Tiare. Kerochan no Miko 23:20, 7 December 2006 (MST)

Moving Page

I'm moving this page because the official name from the Manga is Holy Chalice, not Holy Grail, as cited in Artbook 3, and manga volume 15, before the Holy Chalice upgrade appears (unnamed in the manga). The Bandai boxes call it the Rainbow Moon Cálice, making this page more a reflection of fandom's name of it, rather than *official* naming of it. --Hitsuji Kinno 11:31, 12 July 2007 (MST)

Whether or not this is the wrong title, arbitrarily moving pages like this is completely against the rules. Please familiarize yourself with them. Kerochan no Miko 13:03, 12 July 2007 (MST)