Talk:Pierrot
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I've an impression that "Pierrot" is a French word. Not sure tho, but it's not an original English word? What's its meaning then? --210 01:11, 16 February 2007 (MST)
- Pierrot on Wikipedia Kerochan no Miko 07:27, 16 February 2007 (MST)
- Didn't know there's so much info behind this word. Thx. --210 07:47, 16 February 2007 (MST)
I'm not removing that part about the musical show "for no reason" - a random youtube video posted by someone with a camera isn't any more an official source than a fansite is. We need canon sources for information. Kerochan no Miko 18:40, 28 February 2012 (MST)
- It's not random, we know it's footage from the special musical show, the actors, the sage, the songs; everything in the show itself is official, so if Pierrot were presents in that footage, it means that they were present during the show. We have used this footage for information before, why is not valid all of the sudden? --Sailorsimon 18:58, 28 February 2012 (MST)
- Where have we used it as the sole source of information? Kerochan no Miko 19:13, 28 February 2012 (MST)
- Many places actually, for example with the "Neo" thing and the song list, which by the way, you helped with as you can see in the discussion page under information, here: Talk:Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon SuperS Special Musical Show and here: User talk:Cartwheelingfiesta. Bottom line; it may be fan footage, but it's a fan footage of a very official musical, and what you see in it, is what happened; it matches with the plot, the casts list and everything else official we know about this musical. Unless you think it is a fake footage or something. It's also the only footage we have of this musical since it was not officially released. I mean, we are already lucky enough to have that footage alone and it just sounds (correct me, if I'm wrong) like you just want to spit on it and say that's it a totally invalid source of information; when its among the very little we actually have. I understand that it is a fan footage, but in such a case where the musical was not released to the public, fan footage is pretty much the best we can hope for, and I think we should be able to take what we can get from that footage and keave the rest if there is a disagreement. It might be unofficial, but it's not untrue. If you say that it is absolutely irrelevant, I have to say, I strongly disagree; the musical itself happened; and whether it was filmed by an audience member (who has the Myu fandoms' eternal gratitude, btw) or a professional cameraman hired by Bandai doesn't change that; the musical would have happened either way; what happened, happened regardless. I mean the official cast lists never lists any Pierrot or Usagizaru in either Yume Senshi musicals, but the footage allows us to see that they were indeed there. I thought we had come to an arrangement concerning that in fact; they can't go in the official cast list but they can be mentioned in the articles themselves; that's why we have the trivia section in the Special Musical Show article. I am making an effort here to understand your point and I am opened to concessions, but this footage does have its relevancy. Just because it was filmed by a fan, doesn't change what happened on stage with the official actors; characters; songs and plot elements. --Sailorsimon 19:48, 28 February 2012 (MST)
- The only thing I see me saying on those linked talk pages is that it doesn't matter what's in the video, we need to use official sources for information. Which... is exactly what I said before, as well. I've said it before and I'll say it a hundred times, only official sources can be used as proof. This is not an official source. Therefore, my opinion and your opinion and anyone's opinion is not proof in this matter. Unless you have a canon source that lists the Pierrot in the cast then they can't be listed, period, end of story. Kerochan no Miko 20:06, 28 February 2012 (MST)
- We're not talking about cast lists here, we are talking about the musical itself. Pierrot appeared in the musical itself, that's not an opinion, that's a fact. How is it not a fact? That's what I'm trying to understand.
- Like I said I agreed that "Neo" could not go on the cast list because it wasn't in official sources; you agreed that we could mentioned it in the trivia section, which is exactly what happened and that's how we reached our agreement. Why is suddenly different now? I genuinely kind of lost here. --Sailorsimon 20:29, 28 February 2012 (MST)
