Talk:Prince Demande

Kuroyanagi, please familiarise yourself with the rules. And while this spelling is undoubtedly up for debate, since when did Ian Miller's spellings become gospel? dooky 11:57, 24 September 2006 (MST)

Does this need to get moved back? Kerochan no Miko 12:50, 24 September 2006 (MST)

But wait, why is Dimande a better spelling than Demand? Dosei No Senshi 08:13, 6 December 2006 (MST)

We already had this argument...I believe the basic reason for it was "nobody is going to agree on a spelling anyway, so we're going with ADV's spelling." Kerochan no Miko 11:37, 6 December 2006 (MST)

Where does it say in the manga that they sought for Neo Queen Serenity to allow them to return to Earth? It's my understanding that they initially lived in Crystal Tokyo and went with Wiseman to Nemesis. They weren't born on Nemesis. --Chains of Fate 22:36, 1 February 2008 (MST)

In Act 19 Diana calls them "the descendants of traitors." Kerochan no Miko 22:43, 1 February 2008 (MST)

That's not answering my question. If it were to be true that they were born on Nemesis, where does it say that they initially planned to ask Neo Queen Serenity to "allow them to return to Earth?"

However they were in fact born on Earth, not Nemesis. In Act 20 of the manga:

"Yes," Dimande says. "I wanted to show you that the Mystical Silver Crystal isn't the only thing that carries immense strength. The fantasy world of long life and infinite power... Our planet Earth... We didn't like it."

(Demand stands with Safir, Rubeus, and Esmeraude. They stare at the sparkling Crystal Palace.)

(Wiseman appears.)

"Young traitors," he says. "If you desire power, go to Nemesis. If you want to have everything... Get the Evil Black Crystal." --Chains of Fate 12:48, 2 February 2008 (MST)

The section you quoted there does not say they were born on Earth - it just says that Wiseman told them Nemesis would give them power. But neither does it say they were born on Nemesis. I don't recall the manga ever stating either way. Kerochan no Miko 13:02, 2 February 2008 (MST)

I think it's pretty obvious from "Our planet Earth, we didn't like it." that they were born on Earth. Why would they refer to it as their planet, and if they were on Nemesis, why would Wiseman tell them to go there? It wouldn't make sense. --Chains of Fate 19:08, 2 February 2008 (MST)

One, it would be nice if you would keep the conversational thread indentations going so I don't have to keep adding them to keep track. Two, you're not quoting the manga, you're quoting Alex Glover's translation of the manga. And while that quote might imply that they were from Earth, nowhere does it say "we were born on Earth." And without solid proof you can't say for certain one way or another. Kerochan no Miko 19:31, 2 February 2008 (MST)

First of all, even in the Mixx translation Dimande refers to Earth as "Our planet Earth." You can't draw from that and the fact that Wiseman told them to go to Nemesis (also from the Mixx translation) that they are indeed from Earth? I don't think it requires more proof than that, it's common sense based on blatant references that they were born on and lived on Earth for a time. --Chains of Fate 20:14, 2 February 2008 (MST)

The Mixx translation is hardly the be-all and end-all of expert translations. And we're going by the original Japanese version for general facts here, anyway. I went and actually checked the original, and found that Dimande referred to "わが星地球" - "わが" I will accept as "our," but he doesn't specify how it's "our" Earth. I will allow that they lived on Earth for some unknown length of time, again, there is absolutely nowhere, not one place, that says they were born on Earth. Period. End of story. Unless you can find somewhere in the manga where Dimande or someone says "we were born on Earth" (which you won't, because they didn't) then yes, it does require more proof to say in the article that they were born on Earth. I removed the part about them being born on Nemesis though, because, again, no proof. Kerochan no Miko 20:26, 2 February 2008 (MST)