Talk:Seijaku no Hostie (Seitai)
Title Misspelled
The title of this song is "Seijaku no Hostie", not "Seijaku no Hoste". The page should be renamed to correct this error. Maboroshi 02:08, 5 September 2007 (MST)
- I don't have a problem with the proposed move, so long as it's done in accordance with site policies this time. Kerochan no Miko 02:12, 5 September 2007 (MST)
- That's why I posted this here. :) Maboroshi 02:51, 5 September 2007 (MST)
Japanese Pronunciation
Anyone knows the Japanese pronunciation of "Hoste"? --210 05:48, 14 July 2007 (MST)
- The word is "Hostie", not "Hoste". It's the French word for "heavenly host" and is also the French word for the sacramental wafer of Catholicism. In Japanese, it sounds like the English word "toasty" without the t at the beginning (which is also how it sounds in French). Maboroshi 01:24, 5 September 2007 (MST)
- The Japanese pronunciation had already been added after I posted my question above, but thx for your valuable info about the "Hostie" thing. ^^ --210 05:10, 5 September 2007 (MST)
Lyrics
If anyone doubts me, these are the lyrics from the program book:
Yes, it really does say "aa" in roman letters there. Kerochan no Miko 21:51, 3 December 2009 (MST)
- I've seen in another source rendering it in hiragana, hence my editing that accordingly, but that source is just a copy of the lyrics, not from the original hard copy. --210 22:45, 3 December 2009 (MST)
Image Song
There has been considerable amount of debate when it comes to myu image songs, and I see no reason to add anything that isn't already listed on the image songs article unless there's discussion first; I don't care how "obvious" a song might be in one person's opinion. Kerochan no Miko 22:00, 27 June 2011 (MST)
- Well let me start a discussion right here. I believe this is an image song for Mistress 9 for the exact same reason that I believe Teikou no Hana is an image song for Princess Kakyuu, that is: because they speak of who they are as characters. Now this song clearly says ``I'm the Hostie of Silence, Mistress 9, the Hostie of Silence``. In this song Mistress 9 speaks of herself and who she is, what she stands for, etc. Just like for another exemple ``Black Moon Signal``, this song is representative of that character in particular and would not make sense being song by any other character.
- That being said I recognise that I should have bring it up on this talk page first before doing any edit. My bad. Sorry. -- Sailor Simon 01:24, 28 June 2011 (EST)
- Actually, because that list is "representative"... as you have stated here : http://www.wikimoon.org/index.php?title=Talk:Image_song. On that discussion page it was also agreed that image songs should be included on character articles and not on the image song article. Cartwheelingfiesta 22:27, 27 June 2011 (MST)
- Since image songs are either songs that are strongly character associated (Teikou no Hana - Kakyuu) or ones that contain musical themes associated with a particular character (Dream Yume wa Ookiku - Ami). Seijaku no Hostie certainly fits the first category. Cartwheelingfiesta 22:29, 27 June 2011 (MST)
- Not quite: if a song is called an "image song" then it goes on the image songs article. The Tuxedo Mask songs were debatably image songs so instead of listing them as such it was just noted in his article that they were significant songs that he performed but not specifically image songs. It's a bit of nitpicking but it works, especially in the case of myu songs that are almost all potentially an image song. And "Dream Yume wa Ookiku" isn't listed as an image song, so that doesn't count as an example.
- That being said, I suppose this song could work as a Mistress 9 image song as much as "Teikou no Hana" does for Princess Kakyuu. Kerochan no Miko 23:14, 27 June 2011 (MST)
- O_o ... That makes me think that we should only go with songs that have been specifically called theme songs... and not leave it up to opinion but that'll be ignored anyway... Besides... Mistress 9 is a one musical set character and pretty much every character has been given an image song in some way by these standards... Its probably best to keep to keep the image song page restricted to the important characters of the musicals with the number of appearances by Dimande being the bare minimum...(so basically the Senshi, Galaxia, Beryl, Tuxedo Kamen, Loof Merrow & Dark Plasman) if you start including Mistress 9 then you end up with Magus Collection, Black Moon Signal, Ruby no Aka, Image de Mon Pere, Kubisuji wo Sashidase and other songs that can be seen as image songs... Making the word "representative" redundant... Cartwheelingfiesta 01:14, 28 June 2011 (MST)
- If you think "that'll be ignored anyway" then either don't bring it up for discussion or refrain from making cracks like that because they're anything but conducive to a civil discourse.
- I entirely agree with that sentiment, which is why I've been trying to limit the image songs there listed. It has to be limited somehow, and keeping it to only the most important characters and songs seems to be the best way I've found. Which means adding this song to image songs is quite premature, so I'm removing that. Kerochan no Miko 01:35, 28 June 2011 (MST)
- O_o ... That makes me think that we should only go with songs that have been specifically called theme songs... and not leave it up to opinion but that'll be ignored anyway... Besides... Mistress 9 is a one musical set character and pretty much every character has been given an image song in some way by these standards... Its probably best to keep to keep the image song page restricted to the important characters of the musicals with the number of appearances by Dimande being the bare minimum...(so basically the Senshi, Galaxia, Beryl, Tuxedo Kamen, Loof Merrow & Dark Plasman) if you start including Mistress 9 then you end up with Magus Collection, Black Moon Signal, Ruby no Aka, Image de Mon Pere, Kubisuji wo Sashidase and other songs that can be seen as image songs... Making the word "representative" redundant... Cartwheelingfiesta 01:14, 28 June 2011 (MST)
Okay I need to set a foot down here because I just DON'T UNDERSTAND anything anymore. Could we please stop discussing other topics than the song in question right now thank you. I don't care anout OTHER (a.k.a off topic) songs that may or may not be image songs. Please lets restric to talk about THIS PARTICULAR SONG. I did the exact same thing I did with Teikou no Hana, I presented facts (not opinions) to show that this song his INDEED associated with this particular character.
Kerochan no Miko you said: I suppose this song could work as a Mistress 9 image song as much as "Teikou no Hana" does for Princess Kakyuu.
Cartwheelingfiesta you said: Seijaku no Hostie certainly fits the first category.
So if there is nobody who disagrees that this song indeed fits the image song criterias, then I don't see why this dicussion needs to go any further. Lets just agree for THIS ONE SONG and make the changes like we did for Teikou no Hana and if there are any more dicussions about image songs in general, then I STRONGLY advise that they be taken to the image song talk page since that's what it is for. Same goes for any other songs. Their discussion pages are the only appropriate place to talk about it as you reminded me Miko-chan in the Teikou no Hana talk page when we started talking about Amazon Kara Circus Dan ga Yatte Kita.
So if there are no more objections about THIS song alone, then I will make the according changes. Also if somebody disagrees, I would like that they provide facts FROM THE SONG itself like I did. Thank you. Last reminder: this page is called Talk:Seijaku no Hostie (Seitai), so let us stick to this subject. PLEASE. BTW the fact that Mistress 9 was a one (actually two since there is a Kaiteiban) time character is irrelevant, Black Lady was a one time character and the song Black Moon Signal is indeed said to be her image song ON THIS WIKI, check the Black Lady article and the Black Moon Signal article if you don't believe me. If there are any more problems with other songs or Image Songs in general, they have their own talk page on which theses issues can be addressed. -- Sailor Simon 22:12, 28 June 2011 (EST)