Template talk:Senshi Navigation

I was wondering, as Sailor V now has an article of her own should we include her here? Maybe as /Sailor V after Sailor Venus and perhaps Dark Mercury too? GracieLizzie 07:32, 15 August 2006 (MST)

For completeness, I think we should, & the "slash" method is a good one. And don't forget PSM. 210 07:37, 15 August 2006 (MST)

Category?

Can I ask that the category be removed from this template so that each sailor article can be categorized individually? The reason I want to do this is so I can alphabetize them (it's easier to find them in the category when they're not all under S). --Purplefeltangel 13:08, 15 August 2006 (MST)

But... they all begin with S (with the exception of Darkury... and Eternal Sailor Moon, if she ever gets an article)/ I appreciate your concern but I think most people are capable of searching an alphabetical list. dooky 13:53, 15 August 2006 (MST)

I mean by planet. For example, Sailor Venus would be listed under V. --Purplefeltangel 13:58, 15 August 2006 (MST)

I know, I just don't think it's necessary. But hey, if anyone else has strong feelings about this, let rip and we'll see about it. dooky 14:01, 15 August 2006 (MST)

I'm not all that fussed; I just think it looks nicer that way. Thanks for responding though. --Purplefeltangel 14:02, 15 August 2006 (MST)

I for one much prefer it the present way. GracieLizzie 16:21, 15 August 2006 (MST)

^ Ditto. 210 18:13, 15 August 2006 (MST)

Alternate senshi forms

Is it necssary to list all of these in the template? I'd much rather have a single entry for each character. The 'Princess Sailor Venus' thing is particularly spurious, especially when it just redirects to Sailor Venus anyway. dooky 19:32, 2 September 2006 (MST)

Well, I expect the redirect as temporary like other precedences. The inclusion of PSV is for consistency w/ the current practice of including alternate Senshi forms. If single entry is to be adopted, then all existing alternate Senshi forms should be deleted from the template. 210 20:38, 2 September 2006 (MST)

Personally, I think alternate Senshi forms don't need to be there - they're linked from the Senshi's main page, and that, IMHO, should be adequate. Kerochan no Miko 20:49, 2 September 2006 (MST)

I agree. If there aren't any strong objections then the links should be removed. dooky 20:57, 2 September 2006 (MST)

I've no opinions here as far as it's consistent. Gracie, your view? 210 21:01, 2 September 2006 (MST)

Hmmm, I don't think Princess Sailor Venus should be there, it was nothing more than a disguise using a non-magical tiara, but other ones like Princess Sailor Moon, Dark Mercury, and Sailor V have valid reasons for inclusion. I mean Dark Mercury and PSM both have drastically diffrent persona, costumes, and such to Sailor Mercury and Sailor Moon and while Sailor V has the same personality to Venus and Minako she also has a very diffrent costume and a set of powers she never used as Sailor Venus so... I am unsure what to say. After all some may argue if we are going include Sailor V why not Princess Sailor Venus? GracieLizzie 04:49, 3 September 2006 (MST)

^ So it's a matter of degree: PSV has fewer differences in appearance (just the crown & the crescent on her forehead) & no special powers, as compared to other alternate Senshi forms. Since we don't expect PGSM to have any more sequels (hence no more bordering cases), we might as well arbitrate that she falls below the imaginery line of the "sufficient differences" criteria (which applies to all), hence her exclusion from the template w/o causing consistency problems. So I'll revert her inclusion shortly if no one objects. Of course, anyone may continue to discuss whether the all-or-nothing criteria should be applied instead, if they like. 210 06:29, 3 September 2006 (MST)

Done. 210 07:57, 3 September 2006 (MST)

Thanks. I'm still in favour of removing all of the alternate identities, mind... dooky 08:02, 3 September 2006 (MST)

But Sailor V and Dark Mercury are Sailor Senshi, it'd be werid if the Senshi Navigation wasn't there. GracieLizzie 09:02, 3 September 2006 (MST)

Suggestions

Could Sailor Chaos and Princess Sailor Venus be added to this template seeing as they are both Sailor Senshi and have their own articles. -- Sailor Simon, 19:20, 11 april 2011 (EST)

Maybe the Oppositio too. Cartwheelingfiesta 20:52, 11 April 2011 (MST)

Princess Sailor Venus won't be added, as she was already removed per previous discussion on this talk page. I'm not sure where we'd even put Sailor Chaos or the Oppositio Senshi - another category would make the template rather unwieldy, for one thing, and for another, did the Oppositio Senshi have Sailor Crystals? Kerochan no Miko 21:31, 11 April 2011 (MST)

As for PSV I understand but Sailor Chaos was undeniably a Sailor Senshi, and I guess I would put her in the Shadow Galactica Senshi as Chaos, in this form and by that name is strongly associated with that specific group instead of his other forms (Metallia, Pharao 90 etc...). As for the Oppositio Senshi I really have no opinion whatsoever... I mean they were called Senshi but never Sailor something (ex: Sailor Sin or Sailor Nabu) so... I really have no idea... - Sailor Simon 22:25, 12 April 2011 (EST)

Sailor Moon: Another Story was created after the Mugen arc, Sailor Crystals were not part of the series at the time of their creation, as they were exclusive to the Stars arc. Besides Luna, the Quartet, Astarte, Chibichibi and several others haven't been stated to have sailor crystals. They weren't called Sailor Sin and such, because they did not want to associate themselves with Neo-Queen Serenity's senshi. Cartwheelingfiesta 20:50, 12 April 2011 (MST)

Are you sure? For all we know Naoko had the Sailor Crystals thing in mind from the get-go, even if she didn't mention it. Just because someone wasn't stated to have one doesn't mean they don't have one - an absence of proof isn't proof in and of itself. Kerochan no Miko 23:52, 12 April 2011 (MST)

She can't have. She never planned anything further than the Dark Kingdom. Low self esteem... The crystals came in Yume. The game was created before then. Besides, had she already come up with it, the GAME DEVELOPERS (as opposed to Takeuchi sensei) are NOT going to introduce a major plotpoint for a spin-off game which includes nothing outside the first three arcs. They are "Sailor Senshi" in the same way as the Animamates. They are not "true" senshi, but they have been given the same powers and such of one. Apsu allows them to be Senshi in the same way as the Golden Bracelets. 00:13, 13 April 2011 (MST)

Takeuchi created the canon. Takeuchi is the only one who knows what she intended, not you.

And if the Oppositio aren't "true" Senshi and are only given the semblance of powers, then they don't belong on this template. Kerochan no Miko 00:34, 13 April 2011 (MST)

Then the Animamates don't belong on there either, and Sailor Chibichibi may need to be reconsidered. It doesn't matter what she intended, the game developers did not include post Yume information. The Parallel Inners aren't part of canon either. The Template is "SAILOR SENSHI" not "TRUE SAILOR SENSHI". Cartwheelingfiesta 00:41, 13 April 2011 (MST)

Of course the Animamates belong on there. They were either brainwashed senshi (anime) or people who stole a sailor crystal to become senshi (manga). Either way, they had a sailor crystal and were senshi. Your logic doesn't work. Kerochan no Miko 01:11, 13 April 2011 (MST)

In the manga, they do not possess the sailor crystals they stole. Galaxia has those. The Bracelets give them power. They are not true senshi. (in the anime it was only ever implied with Tin Nyanko--besides, Tin Nyanko was an evil form of the former senshi, there's no evidence to say Tin Nyanko used to be a good senshi). As Sailor Moon: Another Story follows the manga rather than the anime, they are the same as the Animamates, gaining power from Apsu. Cartwheelingfiesta 01:28, 13 April 2011 (MST)

Do you ever get tired of bickering endlessly over piddly trivia with me without bothering to listen to what I'm saying? Because I'm sure tired of it. And I'm not discussing this any more: the changes have been made to the template and I'm done. Kerochan no Miko 01:30, 13 April 2011 (MST)

I don't appreciate comments like that, thank you very much, its rude. You don't seem to bother with what I'm saying either. You have ignored the fact that the template is not "True Sailor Senshi", the fact that there is no evidence Tin Nyanko is a true Senshi at all and how Another Story contains information up to Yume only.01:37, 13 April 2011 (MST)

How could I ignore a fact that isn't true? And I'm not going to account for your personal interpretation of what Takeuchi meant with regard to canon. Kerochan no Miko 01:48, 13 April 2011 (MST)

Sailor Moon: Another Story follows manga canon up to, but not including Yume, other than that it is its own continuity. Takeuchi has nothing to do with what happens in the anime or the games. In The Another Story canon, Sailor Crystals, Eternal Sailor Moon, CereCere, Nehellenia, Star Seeds, Dream Mirrors or anything introduced later are not part of this particular canon. Tin Nyanko was not in possession of a Star Seed/Sailor Crystal in any continuity during her appearance. "Trash cannot become a star" in the manga or "Having your star seed taken is truly terrible" in the anime and in the musicals "We will finally have Sailor Crystals" Cartwheelingfiesta 02:08, 13 April 2011 (MST)

There's no reason to take information from other continuities. Cartwheelingfiesta 02:09, 13 April 2011 (MST)

This discussion is over. Kerochan no Miko 02:10, 13 April 2011 (MST)

Okay then, whatever >..> Cartwheelingfiesta 02:16, 13 April 2011 (MST)

Not wanting to start another debate but I just feel like I need to point out this: the Animamates did not possess sailor crystal and only hoped to be given one, this is shown in the manga, when Galaxia removes Tin Nyanko's bracelet and she disintegrate. In the anime it is likely that they were once good senshi, but the manga is clear that they weren't and that Galaxia promised to make them become so and gave them Sailor Senshi powers, pretty much the way Apsu did in the game. Now, again I have no preference whatsoever, the real thing that bothers me is the fact that they weren't called Sailor something and that no official material explains why, for as far as I remembered they only ever called themselves Senshi and not Sailor Senshi, which is what this template is about. -- Sailor Simon, 13:36, 13 april 2011 (EST)

I really don't appreciate having this discussion re-started after I already said it was over. However, even if the Animamates weren't currently in possession of a sailor crystal in the manga they were in the anime and therefore as senshi in at least one version of the series they belong on this list. That's why I left them there and that's why I'm not taking them off. Kerochan no Miko 13:24, 13 April 2011 (MST)

Tin Nyanko's star seed was removed, we have no information on what she was called prior to being Tin Nyanko so all we know is that Tin Nyanko (although probably under a different name) WAS a Sailor Senshi. But then again Heavy Metal Papillon, Pewter Fox and Titanium Kerokko were never senshi... Cartwheelingfiesta 20:15, 13 April 2011 (MST)